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I'd certainly never heard of him, but his death is just so gruesome it's quite notable. All my fears about ever getting on ice skates proven horribly true.



For those sick puppies out there, there is footage of it on Twitter. I would not recommend.
 
Seems to meet the definition though right?

the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or in circumstances not amounting to murder.

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dUb said:
Seems to meet the definition though right?

the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or in circumstances not amounting to murder.

:factnotfriction:
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That's the US definition :o Murder/manslaughter is dealt with quite differently between the US and England
 
I was wondering about manslaughter. Like that driver who killed the cyclist, I wonder what will happen to her. It was an accident, an awful one, but an accident.
 
Iguana said:
That's the US definition :o Murder/manslaughter is dealt with quite differently between the US and England
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Ah right, thank you! OK I did another (1) google search and found this UK-specific definition.

Manslaughter is primarily committed in one of three ways:
  1. Killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.
  2. Conduct that was grossly negligent given the risk of death, and did kill ("gross negligence manslaughter"); and
  3. Conduct taking the form of an unlawful act involving a danger of some harm that resulted in death ("unlawful and dangerous act manslaughter").
I can't quite PIN any of them on him - maybe 3?
 
Star said:
I was wondering about manslaughter. Like that driver who killed the cyclist, I wonder what will happen to her. It was an accident, an awful one, but an accident.
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Manslaughter isn’t used in driving offences very often at all. Would be more likely death by dangerous or careless driving. Both of which can carry prison sentences.

This one with the ice hockey seems very odd though. I’d have thought that you’re putting yourself in a position where you know that you could be risking your life especially as he wasn’t wearing a neck guard.
 
It might not be the other player. It may be something to do with his safety equipment.
 
cwej said:
Manslaughter isn’t used in driving offences very often at all. Would be more likely death by dangerous or careless driving. Both of which can carry prison sentences.
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But what if it wasn't dangerous or careless driving? Just a pure accident. Witnesses said they weren't speeding. Don't know why I think about this, but it plays on my mind, how life can just change in a second for so many :(
 
Star said:
But what if it wasn't dangerous or careless driving? Just a pure accident. Witnesses said they weren't speeding. Don't know why I think about this, but it plays on my mind, how life can just change in a second for so many :(
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If it wasn't, then she would receive no penalty I believe. There has to be careless driving involved. Though I'm no expert in the law.

But careless driving can be very very minor if the courts want to find a way to 'get justice' etc.
 
Since I deal with licensing stuff on a daily basis, I’ve seen manslaughter before through driving (driver intentionally tried to run someone over to scare them, but went too far). I’ve seen a reduced penalty of 3 points for CD10 usually when it’s cyclists being hit when it’s blatantly the fault of the cyclist. Recently saw a 9 point penalty for hitting a pedestrian on a zebra crossing.
 
dUb said:
I can't quite PIN any of them on him - maybe 3?
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Involuntary manslaughter is "where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation" (from trusty Wikipedia).

I would think most likely it was the recklessness limb - in which case it could be the other player
 
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Ellie said:
Since I deal with licensing stuff on a daily basis, I’ve seen manslaughter before through driving (driver intentionally tried to run someone over to scare them, but went too far).
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See that's one of those cases where they were intentionally using the car as a weapon - so very different to 'death by dangerous driving'.
 
Iguana said:
Involuntary manslaughter is "where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation" (from trusty Wikipedia).

I would think most likely it was the recklessness limb - in which case it could be the other player
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The counterargument would be that they were playing a hockey game and you take on the risk when you play and therefore there wasn't blatant disregard from those dangers. But it depends what actually happened!
 
Its the other player. You arent supposed to lift your blades off the ice, so if the other player does have an alleged pattern of swinging his feet at players then there is a potential case of manslaughter here. There is a difference between being arrested and charged of course.
 
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