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Perhaps I just prefer the televote results to the jury (although there isn't much in it), but looking at those results and the reason why jury voting was reintroduced to supposedly fend off the neighbourly voting business, do we even need juries any more anyway?

And neighbourly voting still happens anyway! And with the juries- how the Greece and Cyprus business is allowed to go on and on and on I don’t know...
 
They are there, both have been doing live streaming from the press center. VoR for a website that usually has 20 or 30 viewers at the most. Kala for another one, I joined the other day a live streaming that was running for 30 minutes already, and I was the 3rd viewer watching. Not joking at all.

Erm, ESC Insight don't do livestreaming. :D
 
I saw you at least twice in the livestreaming of that other terrible site, even by yourself, so I guess you were a Special Guest Star.

I genuinely don't recall doing any livestreaming this year. Which site are you referring to?

If it's escxtra you're mixing me up with Matt Baker - we do look rather similar.
 
I genuinely don't recall doing any livestreaming this year. Which site are you referring to?

If it's escxtra you're mixing me up with Matt Baker - we do look rather similar.
Oh :D I probably mixed you up with someone else, sorry. The quality of their image and sound is so bad and I didn't pay attention for more than 2 second, why do they even bother?
 
Poor Alla getting confused between cam4 and youtube hun x
 
The voting was super exciting but it did make no sense. It's not like the last method was terribly dull so why not stick to that. I miss the painstaking days of past where we'd get each individual point read out at length - I find it hard to keep up with now, you can't digest anything except the 12 points, and then to throw a spanner in the works we get public votes in a wacky order.

Poor Norway though! I never expected such a good result but then the juries royally fucked it so now it actually seems disappointing.

To see Czech crash and burn was pleasing but the jury/public discrepancy was alarming.

I think everyone knew North Macedonia were going to slump in the televote so I wasn't worried - I'm actually amazed they got as many public votes as they did.

Biggest shock is Montenegro NOT coming last :D
 
Not sure if this was mentioned, but Norway ALSO won the televote in their semi, with the juries giving them just 40 points!

Surely they have to look at this, it's pretty bad to have such big discrepancies for a song that was clearly the most popular with the public.
 
A difference of 244 !! points between the televote and the juries for Norway, there is something wrong here. The EBU have too look into this. Norway was robed by the juries.
 
Lithuania also had a reasonably stronger televote than Denmark (77 vs 41) and probably should have qualified over them seeing as Denmark scraped through by 1 point more than Lithuania.

Cyprus also only got televotes from Greece & Georgia 2 x 12 (2 countries where Tamta has roots), San Marino (isn't their score basically made up?) and 1 from the UK :D
 
What is the atmosphere like for the jury performances? I can see why Norway wouldn't necessarily score AS WELL with the juries, but the way it went off in the arena feels like it would've swayed a few of the juries to score it higher.
 
The juries vote on the quality of the song and what sounds vaguely contemporary/representative of music outside the Eurovision bubble, amongst other things aren't they?

They're not going to vote for JOIKING JOE'S song that would've sounded dated even 15 years ago.
 
Perhaps I just prefer the televote results to the jury (although there isn't much in it), but looking at those results and the reason why jury voting was reintroduced to supposedly fend off the neighbourly voting business, do we even need juries any more anyway?

I've thought about this a lot today and don't think it's a bad idea for juries to be for the semis only. That way we can safely sift out the dreck but everyone's got a fair crack in the final. Seeing major differences between some songs in the jury and televote right at the final hurdle definitely leaves a sour taste.

Yes it means we wouldn't have had Jamala but to be fair a song about the evils of Mother Russia in a year it enters its biggest, flashiest song is something of a one off :D
 
The juries vote on the quality of the song and what sounds vaguely contemporary/representative of music outside the Eurovision bubble, amongst other things aren't they?
I remember the Russian grannies having a few 12s from the jury, so it's not like they're all very professional. Some of the Spanish jury members are a big WTF year after year.
 
The juries vote on the quality of the song and what sounds vaguely contemporary/representative of music outside the Eurovision bubble, amongst other things aren't they?

They're not going to vote for JOIKING JOE'S song that would've sounded dated even 15 years ago.

I don't think it sounds dated, it's just a straight up pop song in the more traditional sense (i.e hooks and a chorus). Just because radio wouldn't touch it doesn't mean its dated.

More to the point, the public clearly LOVED it.
 
Also I'm quite gutted for Australia, but watching it last night reminded me of Netta last year in reverse - I wasn't totally convinced she was going to win until "Toy" hit in the final, everything clicked in that moment and only then. With Australia, for the first time something felt OFF...like it was too late in the show or a piece that didn't work in the context of what was around it.

A massive shame (and lost me reasonably big winnings :evil:)
 
I personally think the competition got better when they reintroduced the jury vote.
 
Let's not forget the juries propping up Sweden last year and the public having none of it. I will never understand that one. It doesn't exactly help argue against the "Swedish bias" saga that seems to persist.

Thing is, even that wasn't overly offensive because it still "only" managed 7th. Like with the Czech Republic and North Macedonia this year, the juries can only take it so far and I doubt many people will be moaning that any of those songs were robbed.

When its the reverse and the juries hindering on a major scale a massively popular song it's hard to swallow.
 
I think the juries have by and large protected us from having some of the awful novelty songs of the past. There are still some oddballs but at least mostly they are trying to be songs too. I mean you wouldn’t get Dustin the Turkey these days (let’s see next year though :D)

Instead the weird stuff has been focused on the stage and stunts, but the song still needs to be passable
 
I think we have to accept discrepancies between the juries and the public, they’re looking for different things most of the time.

If they were all churning out the same votes, THEN there wouldn’t be a point to them
 

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