SIX DEAD in PLYMOUTH SHOOTING

lolly

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Six dead, including the gunman and a child under 10. Worst mass shooting in the UK since 2010. Apparently the gunman had posted videos on YouTube making reference to incels and comparing himself to The Terminator.
 
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The vast majority of tweets I saw about this yesterday blamed 'migrants swarming into our country' (and words to that effect)

Wonder if any of them will reflect now that it turns out the killer is a British born Trump fanatic called Jake Davison?

Just kidding, of course they won’t.
 

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What info is out there about this? Did he know everyone he shot?

He sounds like a loner who absorbed a world of conspiracy theories.

How the fuck do you get a gun in the UK?
 

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We tend to respond very well whenever there’s a mass shooting so fingers crossed it becomes basically impossible to get hold of firearms in the aftermath of this.
 

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How the fuck do you get a gun in the UK?

Exactly my question. I'm so sheltered, perhaps the dark web, but how the fuck do you get on the dark web? Do you just Google it under a VPN? Then surely that flags up to some authorities.

Unless you or your family is a member of the armed forces, I wouldn't know where to begin.
 

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Exactly my question. I'm so sheltered, perhaps the dark web, but how the fuck do you get on the dark web? Do you just Google it under a VPN? Then surely that flags up to some authorities.

Unless you or your family is a member of the armed forces, I wouldn't know where to begin.

I am with you Ellie. I have heard people TALKING about the dark web but have no idea what it is or how you would ever access it.
 

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It sounds like it was a short spree shooting according to the press conference.
 

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I am with you Ellie. I have heard people TALKING about the dark web but have no idea what it is or how you would ever access it.
I still consider myself advanced for knowing how to find rare films on torrents!

Anyway, I have an some old school friends who live in Plymouth with their child but haven't spoken to them for years. Obviously the odds are low of victims being someone you know, but it's always in the back of your mind as a possibility :(
 

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I’ve never dabbled with the dark web but it’s pretty simple to access via a ToR.

It’s not illegal to access the dark web but a lot of the stuff on it obviously is (drugs etc).
 

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Lots of people saying 'why aren't we calling this a terrorist, is it because he's white?' on Twitter etc. A gunman isn't automatically a terrorist. He had no political motivation. He was just a sick, evil individual who murdered people. If anything, calling him a terrorist only gives some REASON for his disgusting acts.
 

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He had no political motivation.
We don't know that yet. We do know he was pretty deep in the alt-right and incel stuff, which is political, so if that pushed him to take this action, then it would be terrorism
 
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What info is out there about this? Did he know everyone he shot?
I've wondered about this too. Theres no detailed info. All I could find is that at first he went bumping the front door of some people, i dont understand if he knew them and its unclear if he shot the people living in that house. Then i understand that he left the house and started shooting in the street.

Edit: Sorry I replied with yesterday's info, two of the victims are his mom and brother.
 
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If this is true, it appears he was a bit of a loner and one of his problems was frustration about being single. One of his videos talked about “years of frustration” or something. Mate, you’re 22. You haven’t lived long enough to even clock in these supposed years. You were probably just out of your teens when Covid hit FFS.

On a serious note, this type of personality is often also common among the types of men who end up sexually assaulting women after being rejected a few too many times. There is far too much emphasis in society on being in a romantic relationship as some kind of mark of success in life.
 

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If this is true, it appears he was a bit of a loner and one of his problems was frustration about being single. One of his videos talked about “years of frustration” or something. Mate, you’re 22. You haven’t lived long enough to even clock in these supposed years. You were probably just out of your teens when Covid hit FFS.

On a serious note, this type of personality is often also common among the types of men who end up sexually assaulting women after being rejected a few too many times. There is far too much emphasis in society on being in a romantic relationship as some kind of mark of success in life.
I found this ( the whole thread) interesting

 

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We don't know that yet. We do know he was pretty deep in the alt-right and incel stuff, which is political, so if that pushed him to take this action, then it would be terrorism

I’d say alt right is definitely political and he would be a terrorist.

Incels however; are they politically motivated?
 

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I’d say alt right is definitely political and he would be a terrorist.

Incels however; are they politically motivated?
Yes, I would say that they often are. They believe that society is at fault for them not having sex, and so believe it should be changed. For example, making it mandatory for women to have sex with them in some form of "sexual socialism"

There is also this description of 'The Black Pill' which is one idea that many incels believe.

The Black Pill philosophy typically offers only two options for what to do with their new accepted reality: accept their fate as an incel or try to change society to their benefit—usually advocated as potentially achievable by means of mass violence and terror, not politics or other methods of change.
 

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Oh my!

Is it wrong that the thought of black pill (which I first thought would be some kind of drug) and gay sexual socialism made me a bit hard? :shock:
 
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I was not aware of this incel thing at all. I see many resemblances with what Ellie said. It's as if this type of men have formed an ideology, a movement. It's deeply scary.
 

lolly

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Reading up about this Black Pill business, you can hardly argue it isn't terrorism, can you?
 

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Honestly no idea and I don't even want to know and please I want no association with that sort of thing on Moopy otherwise I will leave.

I mean we can discuss it? It’s not like we’re gonna start selling guns or dumps Or whatever they do on the dark web.
 

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