The Moopy Moderator Election 2023 - Nominations Thread (1 Viewer)

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We still don't know what was said about Rita and by whom. So things haven't changed at all I'd say.
 
Finn said:
In the interest of both stirring shit up AND working out where to place my floating votes, I would like to ask all of those standing for mod how they feel they would - or, if they were a mod at the time, should, if at all - have dealt with this incident in question?

@big ron @VoR @RJN @GinAg (39) @ButterTart @jivafox
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I don't want to ignore this and I have been re-reading the relevant threads and thinking about what I would do, and the honest answer is that I don't necessarily have a great answer, but I will try my best. There are two components that I'll address. Firstly my own involvement (or lack thereof) in the incident and what I would do differently in the future, be it as a mod or as a poster.

1. Looking at my own contributions: I started the thread where the incident occurred but did not try to help the situation. I am white and have many of the same racial blindspots that others do. Instead of making jokes about the situation, which is my natural inclination in many cases, I should have thought more critically about what was happening. I overlooked HSF's original post and I wish I had not.

2. This brings me to the second part, what I would try to do differently. The concept of "active listening" might be a bit cliche, but I would want to do some more "active reading." I don't expect a person who is a minority group (especially one who is one of only a few on Moopy to belong to it) to always be the arbiter of what to do around situations, but when someone does speak up (as is what happened in that thread), I will attempt to notice and give it the attention that it is due. The more people doing this the better, but as a moderator, it would be important.

3. In a situation where nobody in the impacted group says anything, but it is reported or I notice it, I will do some research about the severity of what was said. Within reason, I would ask people I trust who are more aware of a topic than me, both on Moopy and elsewhere in my life, for their opinions. For instance, I might ask @GinAg (39) for his opinion on something potentially ablest, @Beverley on his opinion on something potentially racist, or my sister (real, I promise) her opinion on something potentially sexist. Not saying they are going to want to answer or have an answer, but getting an opinion from someone knowledgeable can help cover up my own blind spots. I would bring this to the rest of the team.

4. None of this would fundamentally change what happened, but someone saying "the use of this word is hurtful for xyz reason; and this is why we can't use it or imply it in the future" quickly may have helped. One thing I love about the members of this community is that we (in general) value kindness and respect, but not that expense of humor. Getting called out can be hard, especially if you don't have harmful intentions, but an explanation of WHY something is an issue can help. I would want to find a balance between giving someone the benefit of the doubt that they are not being intentionally harmful, while still noticing the impact of their words. It is a small enough community that "punishment" would likely be less effective than trying to find ways to make things better in the future, while apologizing for any harm caused.

I was obviously not a moderator at the time of the incident, and I am sure there are complexities to it that I don't know, but this is what I think I would do to handle something like that in the future.
 
Iguana said:
When I was a mod, there was discussion about how best to help you in the mod forum when we felt things were tough for you. A few mods (me included) reached out to you via DM to check you were okay. You didn't reply to my DM. I can't comment on things since I stepped down, but certainly I know when I was a mod the intention towards you was well meaning and supportive.
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Sorry this wasn't about the mod forum! This was in community forum before I could access it. I remember your message and thought I did reply to be honest, I definitely replied to someone so apologies if I forgot you. If intentions to me are still good I would like my moopy restrictions from JUNE (FIVE MONTHS AGO) removing now please. As Roisin Murphy would say, THE TIME IS NOW
 
Inner Smile said:
Sorry this wasn't about the mod forum! This was in community forum before I could access it. I remember your message and thought I did reply to be honest, I definitely replied to someone so apologies if I forgot you. If intentions to me are still good I would like my moopy restrictions from JUNE (FIVE MONTHS AGO) removing now please. As Roisin Murphy would say, THE TIME IS NOW
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What are your restrictions?
 
Finn said:
In the interest of both stirring shit up AND working out where to place my floating votes, I would like to ask all of those standing for mod how they feel they would - or, if they were a mod at the time, should, if at all - have dealt with this incident in question?

@big ron @VoR @RJN @GinAg (39) @ButterTart @jivafox
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I'm not sure I really feel the need to unleash old traumas as I have a lot of love for everyone involved. But I'd like to think I wouldn't have ignored it. My response at the time is out there. It wasn't an easy fix and sadly for the forum we lost two great posters. Just more understanding and listening really.
 
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Inner Smile said:
Everything has been slowed down to snail pace, it takes forever for me to go from one thread to another. I feel now that mods have no intention of removing it
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Really? Is that not your wifi connection? 🤔
 
Finn said:
In the interest of both stirring shit up AND working out where to place my floating votes, I would like to ask all of those standing for mod how they feel they would - or, if they were a mod at the time, should, if at all - have dealt with this incident in question?

@big ron @VoR @RJN @GinAg (39) @ButterTart @jivafox
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At the risk of rehashing what the others have gone over, I think what was learnt from that situation was not to underplay any concern a Moopy member raises, and to reach out and hear everybody in our community.
 
I do think that the 'deliberate slowdown' mode is a bit dodgy to be honest, if the staff don't want a person using the forum they should just say so (or ban them if there's cause to) rather than some weird half measure.
 
If we are getting a Q&A portion I'd love to ask our candidates how they want to deal with obvious trolls?
 
COB said:
I do think that the 'deliberate slowdown' mode is a bit dodgy to be honest, if the staff don't want a person using the forum they should just say so (or ban them if there's cause to) rather than some weird half measure.
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Yes, I think I agree. I do think it probably has merit as a short term measure, but after that it feels like it's deferring making a more difficult decision. But then perhaps it has been discussed elsewhere.

In the case of Inner Smile though, it does feel like there needs to be some kind of resolution, rather than the same thing being repeatedly raised.
 
The Inner Smile thing is incredibly tough because the aggressive posting (particularly on Sunday mornings for some reason :side-eye:) was really starting to overwhelm the forum, but it never quite fell over the line of just being a black and white banning offence, and it became fairly clear that a number of people would have been unhappy if we'd taken that approach. The slowdown was a way to give ourselves - and everyone else - some breathing space. I do tend to agree that as a long term solution, it probably isn't the most graceful, or fair. But it does keep happening.

To be completely honest, we were also challenged by the fact that @Ag was just constantly goading him and riling him up. There's a double standard there that we're all aware of, and we've always struggled with threading that needle.
 
I can only personally recommend the ignore feature.

I don't feel I have a right to demand anyone to post only the way I want them to, particularly when I do have the power to see only what I want to.
 
lolly said:
I can only personally recommend the ignore feature.

I don't feel I have a right to demand anyone to post only the way I want them to, particularly when I do have the power to see only what I want to.
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Again though, if it's one poster spamming ignorable nonsense that's easier. When it's two posters constantly going back and forth at each other, it risks making the forum unreadable, and that was what was happening pretty much on a weekly basis.
 
VoR said:
Again though, if it's one poster spamming ignorable nonsense that's easier. When it's two posters constantly going back and forth at each other, it risks making the forum unreadable, and that was what was happening pretty much on a weekly basis.
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Yes, that's true. I thinking must have managed to tune it out for the most part, because I don't remember that for a long time.
 
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