The UK: The Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson-Symonds Years :(

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The good thing about Tory arrogance and how they have been sitting on a lead hovering around double digits despite treating the most of the country with utter contempt is that they now have belief that they have a God given right to that lead. Of course they are shitting themselves now. He's expendable.
 

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I'm not getting any hopes up for anything political ever again.

I fully expect the Tories to recover from their recent dip and take 500 seats in the next election.
 

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To paraphrase Frankie Boyle, the Tories could crop dust the entire country with hot shit and theyld still get 42% of the vote. The thing about all these recent events is that they are being centred on Johnson. When it suits them, they'll do a Thatcher on him and parachute someone in.
 

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To paraphrase Frankie Boyle, the Tories could crop dust the entire country with hot shit and theyld still get 42% of the vote. The thing about all these recent events is that they are being centred on Johnson. When it suits them, they'll do a Thatcher on him and parachute someone in.
That’s just not true though - until 2017 (when Theresa May polled 42%, followed by Johnson’s 43% in 2019) the party had not polled above 36% in 25 years (even at Cameron’s most popular). Both main parties have a core of somewhere around 30% but the rest is genuinely capable of being churned.
 

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I don't see how Labour can ever get the sort of support they had in the 90s without Scotland. The SNP has completely changed the map.

The future looks like either a Tory government, a liberal coalition or a very VERY narrow Labour victory. In order of likelihood.
 

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I think that’s right @funky - Labour should give up, for pragmatic reasons, any idea of obtaining a majority at the next election and focus on a form of coalition with itself as at best the largest party in the Commons (though I think it is more likely that the Conservatives still would be the largest party without a major collapse).

That being said, whilst the government majority is big it is arguably quite soft. There are a number of seats with small majorities and if it continues to struggle may find itself caught between a resurgent Labour in the North and the Lib Dems in the South (see Chesham and Amersham).
 

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I think the best hope for a Labour win or a coalition in the next 20 years is a rise in support for a new right wing party. We almost NEED a new UKIP or BNP to emerge and split the Tories. Horrible to think that that's the necessary evil to change the map again. :zombie:
 

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That’s just not true though - until 2017 (when Theresa May polled 42%, followed by Johnson’s 43% in 2019) the party had not polled above 36% in 25 years (even at Cameron’s most popular). Both main parties have a core of somewhere around 30% but the rest is genuinely capable of being churned.

Boyle made the comment about 2-3 months before the 2019 election. He was proved right.
 

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The entire Commons committee session with Nadine Dorries was an embarrassment. It's frightening to have people like that in power.

Yet another one that shouldn't be left in charge of a stapler, never mind a government department.
 

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The entire Commons committee session with Nadine Dorries was an embarrassment. It's frightening to have people like that in power.

Yet another one that shouldn't be left in charge of a stapler, never mind a government department.
It’s such a good observation - there is a whole range of ministers, and even cabinet ministers, who before Johnson had little to no hope of being off the backbenches.
 

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I think we should be finally questioning how long he can last now. There are (apparently) letters already into the 1922 committee and a bad result in the Sidcup by-election next week (if they hold the seat) might accelerate the rot. Particularly if they don’t recover their polling lead (which to date they always have done, once falling briefly behind).
 

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Absolutely spot on. There's no logic to any of this. It's just "whatever we want we should get". All take. No give, no responsibility for anything or anyone. Just like Johnson in his Bullingdon days - have a 'great night' and let other people clean up your mess and pay for the damage.
 

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