What next for Eurovision? (1 Viewer)

How would you craft a workable rule that would have led to Israeli’s non-participation this year? (And would have led to Russia being removed in 2020? Or 2014?) How would you frame the criteria? Who would the decision-makers be?

(Genuine question - I’m not saying it’s not possible.)

I’m wondering if every country’s participation each year is made contingent on a majority of member broadcasters actively voting to approve - based on vague criteria like not bringing the contest into disrepute/duty of care to other participants/local popular opinion?
 
Madisön said:
How would you craft a workable rule that would have led to Israeli’s non-participation this year? (And would have led to Russia being removed in 2020? Or 2014?) How would you frame the criteria? Who would the decision-makers be?
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Maybe by making it a strictly European (EU + EES + CH + UK) contest.

Let’s face it, all of the problematic countries have been from outside that circle.

(I don’t personally support this suggestion though)
 
That line up is today more ethnically diverse than say Serbia or Belarus
 
Tetris-Rock said:
Isn’t there already a rule around bringing the Contest into disrepute?
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I’m not sure there is. (Presumably the full rules aren’t published anywhere?)

I think there’s a rule on the conduct of individual participants/broadcasters, but I’d be surprised if there is something linked to the conduct of their governments.

(I’m assuming that, even if Kan and the Israeli delegation had been perfectly behaved - which is tactically what I would have done in their shoes - we would still rather Israel have been barred this year.)
 
Madisön said:
I think there’s a rule on the conduct of individual participants/broadcasters, but I’d be surprised if there is something linked to the conduct of their governments.
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Yes I think that was why the EBU originally planned on allowing Russia and Belarus to complete in 2022, until the backlash from other broadcasters.

I think they probably should implement criteria to address issues around broadcasters from countries which have questionable human rights records or who conduct acts of military aggression. It would certainly have allowed them to deal with Russia/Belarus a lot sooner. And maybe the likes of Azerbaijan too.
 
Perhaps controversially, I don't think the Eurovision is in that much of an existential crisis.

The handling of this year was undeniably disastrous, and changes surely have to (and presumably will) be made, but ultimately the ratings are as strong as ever, it's presumably in safe hands with the Swiss next year and Israel's attempts to hijack the contest will surely be subject to diminishing returns if they remain.
 
I think Switzerland winning is a blessing. It’s a safe country, the home of the EBU and maybe things will be politically different in a year’s time. I don’t see Israel leaving the competition unless their broadcaster is banned for actions either inside or outside of Eurovision, or there is a significant petition from other broadcasters that they will pull out if Israel is allowed to continue. I can definitely see the likes of YLE, RTE, ARVOTROS and RUV doing the latter.
 
It seems like it was more like this.

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Kaleen said:
I don’t see Israel leaving the competition unless their broadcaster is banned for actions either inside or outside of Eurovision, or there is a significant petition from other broadcasters that they will pull out if Israel is allowed to continue. I can definitely see the likes of YLE, RTE, ARVOTROS and RUV doing the latter.
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The catch there is that at pushing Israel out due to some broadcasters threatening to withdraw is unlikely to be tolerated by UK, Germany and France (at the very least). The likes of RTE and RUV just aren’t significant to the EBU compared to the broadcasters of Israel’s allies (at least 3 of which just happen to be in the Big 5)
 
I mean Aftonbladet is a tabloid so they could be talking shit, but it does make more sense than being disqualified for what the other rumours are saying he did which was a hand gesture across his throat.

I really hope it does turn out to be something serious because that’s the only way the EBU will come out of this with any slither of a positive light.
 
Kaleen said:
I mean Aftonbladet is a tabloid so they could be talking shit, but it does make more sense than being disqualified for what the other rumours are saying he did which was a hand gesture across his throat.

I really hope it does turn out to be something serious because that’s the only way the EBU will come out of this with any slither of a positive light.
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I hope it’s NOT! They have been appalling and deserve all the backlash they might get.
 
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I predict nobody will give a bibble this time next week (except for a few TikTok’ers covered in biscuit crumbs) and we’ll see Martin again next year.
 
I'd be wary of assuming everything is totally over and it'll be back to completely normal service with no need for anything to be done in future in terms of this year's drama. If Ukraine's vote is anything to go by, there could be some quite sturdy support dynamics which threaten to really split the contest's fanbase in two if they manifest for a slightly more competitive entry down the line.
 
I pick the side the tit-shakers are on
 
In an effort to send Martin a video of me shaking my tits I went on his official insta. Did we know he’s also a PUBLISHED AUTHOR?

 
“The evil is unbearable, and it’s deep despair palpable” could’ve been a review of this year.
 
Does it come with a lovely pensive photo of Martin on the inside cover?
 
So sexy that he’s writing deeply twisted literature when he’s not producing the ESC.
 
VoR said:
Perhaps controversially, I don't think the Eurovision is in that much of an existential crisis.

The handling of this year was undeniably disastrous, and changes surely have to (and presumably will) be made, but ultimately the ratings are as strong as ever, it's presumably in safe hands with the Swiss next year and Israel's attempts to hijack the contest will surely be subject to diminishing returns if they remain.
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I agree with this. Eurovision's fine. Some people who have been following it VERY CLOSELY perhaps at the expense of a well-rounded life may feel otherwise right now, but I expect they will continue to love it overall, and will feel less intensely in a few days.

An Israel win would have been a fascinating disaster, but by sheer luck that's been averted for now and - as much as I'd want Israel to have been ejected - it would have probably proven at least as controversial (if not more so - I could see governments denouncing it) to have done so, rather than keep them in this way.
 
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