US Election Day 2024: Polls Open and Results

Final Prediction: Who Will Win?


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I note Harris isn't making an overnight concession speech. I presume she's devastated.
 
I know it's not the done thing, but I would really like Kamala to stay on and give it another go in 2028. If Trump fucks it spectacularly and she has a proper years worth of campaign and momentum behind her, I would be extremely hopeful she can improve on this.

That is assuming we have an election in 2028 and we're all still alive then.
 
If he was going to win, I'm actually quite glad it was this decisive IN A WAY.

The so close / what ifs would have been painful.
 
Hard not to feel for comedians who are like "I have write jokes about this prick again??".
 
I know it's not the done thing, but I would really like Kamala to stay on and give it another go in 2028. If Trump fucks it spectacularly and she has a proper years worth of campaign and momentum behind her, I would be extremely hopeful she can improve on this.

That is assuming we have an election in 2028 and we're all still alive then.
Aww she thinks there’ll be an election in four years.
 
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I know it's not the done thing, but I would really like Kamala to stay on and give it another go in 2028. If Trump fucks it spectacularly and she has a proper years worth of campaign and momentum behind her, I would be extremely hopeful she can improve on this.

That is assuming we have an election in 2028 and we're all still alive then.
maybe the US just isn't ready for a woman president. so many men seem unable to vote for a woman. younger men especially are too far right. women can still be manipulated into voting for a misogynistic sexual predator. maybe the story here is just that the US is still way more sexist than we'd imagined and if you give them a fantastic female candidate... they'll say thanks but we like orange.
 
maybe the US just isn't ready for a woman president. so many men seem unable to vote for a woman. younger men especially are too far right. women can still be manipulated into voting for a misogynistic sexual predator. maybe the story here is just that the US is still way more sexist than we'd imagined and if you give them a fantastic female candidate... they'll say thanks but we like orange.
While I don’t disagree with you on any of this, I have the horrible feeling that this result was pre-ordained no matter who Trump’s opponent was. It looks like America had made its mind up to shit all over itself regardless of how strong the alternative was.
 
I know it's not the done thing, but I would really like Kamala to stay on and give it another go in 2028. If Trump fucks it spectacularly and she has a proper years worth of campaign and momentum behind her, I would be extremely hopeful she can improve on this.

That is assuming we have an election in 2028 and we're all still alive then.

I think sadly it’s not going to happen. She didn’t even win a primary this time round and Democrats are going to be fearful.

I really do think gender is a massive issue in America and she, and Clinton before her, were both held to ridiculously high standards compared to men, and even more so compared to the standards expected of Trump in terms of policy, intelligence and ‘strength’.

They need to go for a Pete Buttigieg or someone similar next time: young, male, white and articulate.
 
Sad to say, but a lot of the blame for this falls on Biden.

His decision to attempt to run for a second term despite the clear issues around his age will surely be remembered as one of the most consequential and damaging acts of hubris in modern political history.
 
In what world do you see what's happened and go "TIME FOR A FAGGOT"?

It's going to be a centre-right straight man who loves God and guns.

Because he presents in a masculine way - the public are looking much more surface level. Race and gender are much more obvious physical definers than sexuality.

But I hear your point.
 
Remember when the idea of Trump even running for president seemed laughable.

By the end of this term he'll have dominated the Republican party almost exclusively for about 14 years!
 
Sad to say, but a lot of the blame for this falls on Biden.

His decision to attempt to run for a second term despite the clear issues around his age will surely be remembered as one of the most consequential and damaging acts of hubris in modern political history.
You can't really point to much that Harris specifically did wrong, certainly compared to the mistakes that Clinton made.

The odd bad answer in interviews is really it. As much as I don't like it personally, I don't think her position on Israel and Palestine mattered in terms of the electoral college.
 
You can't really point to much that Harris specifically did wrong, certainly compared to the mistakes that Clinton made.

The odd bad answer in interviews is really it. As much as I don't like it personally, I don't think her position on Israel and Palestine mattered in terms of the electoral college.

She did brilliantly in my opinion. Which is why I think the race and gender combination is the biggest issue.

I don’t think that the country would have gone back to Trump regardless if they had a candidate that was more appealing to the white working class voters that make up such a large proportion of so many states.
 
Sad to say, but a lot of the blame for this falls on Biden.

His decision to attempt to run for a second term despite the clear issues around his age will surely be remembered as one of the most consequential and damaging acts of hubris in modern political history.
I disagree. if anything the late decision not to run handed Kamala a ton of momentum and gave Dems a golden, one-off relaunch opportunity.

if he'd said a year earlier he wouldn't run there'd have been a year of infighting, a messy primary and probably Kamala wouldn't have made the ticket. I don't think any blame falls on Biden.
 
You can't really point to much that Harris specifically did wrong, certainly compared to the mistakes that Clinton made.

The odd bad answer in interviews is really it. As much as I don't like it personally, I don't think her position on Israel and Palestine mattered in terms of the electoral college.

I’m inclined to think there was no world in which the Democrats won this election, but yeah Harris had an exceptionally weak hand which she played as well as she could.

There was no time for an open primary, but the lack of one and her swift coronation made it virtually impossible for any kind of break from the Biden shadow. “Why didn’t you do it already?” ultimately seems to have been an effective argument against any of her pledges.

I also think the middle east was an unwinnable argument for her. You could argue that in a lose-lose scenario she should have chosen greater moral courage, but had she come down any more forcefully than she did on Israel, she would presumably have lost as many if not more Jewish votes than she did from Muslims and those for whom Palestine was a decisive moral issue that they couldn’t look past.
 
surely nobody thinks an OPEN PRIMARY would've been a good thing for the Dems?

these people are a shitshow - they would've torn each other to shreds publicly for months and then picked the most Trump-lite white centrist and he'd be ravaged by the real thing.
 
surely nobody thinks an OPEN PRIMARY would've been a good thing for the Dems?

these people are a shitshow - they would've torn each other to shreds publicly for months and then picked the most Trump-lite white centrist and he'd be ravaged by the real thing.
Once the perception took hold that Biden wasn't capable of a second term, it tainted everyone close to him by association, despite them not having a mechanism to replace him as the candidate without going nuclear and using the 25th amendment.

A primary process would have given Harris the space to put more distance between herself and Biden, or for another candidate to prove to be the better choice.
 
surely nobody thinks an OPEN PRIMARY would've been a good thing for the Dems?

these people are a shitshow - they would've torn each other to shreds publicly for months and then picked the most Trump-lite white centrist and he'd be ravaged by the real thing.
because the last times they won they didn't have an open primary?
 

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