The Israel-Gaza war and wider Middle-East tensions

fair enough.

the IDF did release a bunch of evidence today that shows that Al-Shifa is a Hamas base.



the comments :D it DOES look ludicrously suspicious.
 
fair enough.

the IDF did release a bunch of evidence today that shows that Al-Shifa is a Hamas base.



the comments :D it DOES look ludicrously suspicious.


They posted some video yesterday from Rantisi hospital and claimed an Arabic list on the wall was the names of ‘hostage-takers and terrorists’.

It was the days of the week. :basil:
 
i didn't claim it justifies the bombardment. but to say that Israel bombed the hospital "because it was the hospital responsible for identifying and recording the civilian casualties" is quite misleading since Israel has been transparent about their intent of bombing all Hamas bases since the war began. Al-Shifa hospital is a target because it's a Hamas base, not because Israelis are trying to manipulate numbers like you implied.

Israel refutes every journalist, reporter and person on the ground who has said that over 10,000 civilians have died. So I think that is manipulating the numbers to be honest.
 
All Western media orgs are embedded with the IDF and are allowing them to vet their footage and reporting, so I'm not inclined to believe them here frankly.
 
Journalistically I feel that piece is pretty sound in that they've qualified pretty much everything by being clear about where the information has come from and conveyed how restricted the conditions of their visit were.
 
It's worth considering the fact that the IOF claimed to have found those weapons inside the MRI facility at Al-Shifa hospital. You cannot have metal objects inside the MRI room - they get sucked up by the machine.
 
Now that wars are just as much informational as they are militaristic, the political spin and self-bias from both sides is going to be just as destructive.
 
- Madame Suede (and literally every "leftist" pro Israel person few months ago) : "It's disgusting what this right wing Israeli settler government is doing, it's killing any peace prospect and will only cause the situation to implode"

- Situation implodes...

- "REMEMBER IT'S THE PALESTINIANS WHO STARTED THIS ON OCT 7TH THEY STARTED IT NO MERCY KILL THEM ALL XOXO.
 
- Madame Suede (and literally every "leftist" pro Israel person few months ago) : "It's disgusting what this right wing Israeli settler government is doing, it's killing any peace prospect and will only cause the situation to implode"

- Situation implodes...

- "REMEMBER IT'S THE PALESTINIANS WHO STARTED THIS ON OCT 7TH THEY STARTED IT NO MERCY KILL THEM ALL XOXO.
I never, not would I ever, say that.
 
- Madame Suede (and literally every "leftist" pro Israel person few months ago) : "It's disgusting what this right wing Israeli settler government is doing, it's killing any peace prospect and will only cause the situation to implode"

- Situation implodes...

- "REMEMBER IT'S THE PALESTINIANS WHO STARTED THIS ON OCT 7TH THEY STARTED IT NO MERCY KILL THEM ALL XOXO.

Mod speaking here. You're entitled to express your opinion on this but please do so without throwing around personal attacks or allegations on individual posters.
 
IDF is claiming that the basement shaft under the hospital has been blocked by concrete by Hamas and now the IDF is going to bulldoze their way into the underground tunnels.

it's giving South Park.
 
To be fair to the other side as well, the fact the palestinians do not collectively genocide and ethnically cleanse themselves from their entire homeland and have to have Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, consistently do that for the past decades is highly anti-shomashetic at heart. Truth be told.
 
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I think the point here is to follow real, verified journalistic sources on this, and not instantly believe any random stuff on social media because it aligns with your pre-existing views.
 
I think the point here is to follow real, verified journalistic sources on this, and not instantly believe any random stuff on social media because it aligns with your pre-existing views.

Real, verified journalists who have had limited access to Gaza beyond the tours the IOF have taken them on, who have swallowed and repeated IOF propaganda uncritically, who speak of Palestinian casualties in the passive tense and fail to show a single iota of empathy with them? Let's try to be more critical than this. Let's think about what the media did for us in the last 20 years of the war on terror and then talk about journalistic practice.
 
It's all there in front of you, it has been there for years. The media shaping the landscape on so many issues just in Britain, a real degradation in the quality of journalism that we on Moopy have been noticing and posting about for years, but now, when information coming out of Gaza is limited - when Gaza is in a literal blackout at the moment - we're being warned to be careful.

Did you guys learn nothing?
 
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Well, it is up to you to discern who is trustworthy in this situation. The principles of respected journalistic practice hasn’t changed any in recent years, despite what you say. The BBC article shows that they’re still trying to get proper reporting out there - they wouldn’t print anything unverified after all.

Despite all that and your point of view, it is still absolutely no reason to believe any old rubbish on twitter.
 
i don't have time to school girls on the media climate in Britain, or the way it has been racistly constructed to humanise some people at the expense of others.

let's just take a moment to acknowledge the rubbish that Israeli twitter posts and then has to delete because it turns out to be a BLATANT fabrication. let's have a moment of silence for that. :disco:
 
I would never ever use Twitter to source information for serious subject matter.

Then again I don’t use Twitter full stop.
 
Those IOF posts are hilarious though. Surely even the most hardened supporters of Israel must be able to see through that shite.
 
Just to point out, the only journalists in Gaza for the past month were Palestinians, many affiliated to Al Jazeera, but a lot working in their own capacity and getting information out via social media. 50 of those people were murdered in punitive air strikes. If it wasn’t for them, we wouldn’t know what we do about what is happening on the ground, so girls, plz.
 
Anyway, I said I wouldn’t engage in stuff like this. The answers to those sorts of issues are in these threads and require people to look deeper into their hearts and minds than they are currently. Again, with the catastrophe that we have seen all being wreaked on Gaza (through verified sources etc etc) - all of this stuff is pure distraction.
 
The suggestion I’m getting is that no mainstream news outlet is to be trusted, as it’s part of a homogenous media consortium out to bend society’s thinking to that of white nationalism. Is that right?

While I agree there is a plurality of unpleasant right-wing reactionary media owners in this country - i think there is still a base of respected journalistic practise in place. But call me crazy I guess.
 
The suggestion I’m getting is that no mainstream news outlet is to be trusted, as it’s part of a homogenous media consortium out to bend society’s thinking to that of white nationalism. Is that right?

While I agree there is a plurality of unpleasant right-wing reactionary media owners in this country - i think there is still a base of respected journalistic practise in place. But call me crazy I guess.

I ask you to consider whether Laura Kuenssberg and Peston have done enough to hold our government to account over the years, or whether they’ve been glorified client journalists repeating whatever anonymous briefing they’ve been given?

I ask you to consider what role our media played in attempting to manufacture consent for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the demonisation of Muslims in the West.

I ask you to look over the headlines and news reports over the past month and ask yourself why Palestinians are presented as secondary victims in their own catastrophe? Why they struggle to get an ounce of sympathy that other interviewees get? Why antisemitism is presented as a bigger and more important threat than Islamophobia?

Then come back to this thread plz.
 
Hoo boy, somebody’s really drank the kool-aid haven’t they.

I suppose the suggestions of antisemitism in the Labour Party when Corbyn was leader was all overblown as well eh?

Anyway I’ll potter off and ‘do my own research’ and come back to this thread I guess.
 
In other news, this is seemingly the situation in Al-Shifa hospital. The guy isn’t ‘verified’, but is translating a report from Al-Jazeera. Bear in mind the BBC weren’t allowed to speak to the Palestinians inside. Make of it what you want:

 
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I know, but your comments aligned with those who are most of that view. I was being facetious.

Well, don’t be. You’ve not been on here consistently enough to know that I don’t give a shit about Corbyn. He’s gone! Can somebody PLEASE let the poor bitch rest in peace!

And let’s get back on topic.
 

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