Growth of the far right

That's probably true, and a long term plan.
I doubt he imagined the lurch would happen so quickly when he assumed leadership of Reform.
 
I wonder if Boris would be craven enough to join a post-Farage Reform?

Who am I kidding, of course he would be.
 
Why would Farage leave Reform? It's not a democratic political party. The membership has no vote. It's run as a private company, with Farage having a controlling stake.
 
Why would you SELF-HARM like this VoR!? Fascism is coming, all we can do is figure out how to MONETISE IT!
 
www.theguardian.com

More than half Gen Z think authoritarian leader better for UK than democracy, poll suggests – UK politics live

Polling finds 52% of Gen Z thought UK would be better place if ‘strong leader did not have to bother with parliament and elections’
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Most young people are in favour of turning the UK into a dictatorship, according to a “deeply worrying” study, which has revealed an acceptance of authoritarianism and radicalism among Generation Z.

Fifty-two per cent of Gen Z – people aged between 13 and 27 – said they thought “the UK would be a better place if a strong leader was in charge who does not have to bother with parliament and elections”.

Thirty-three per cent suggested the UK would be better off “if the army was in charge”.

Forty-seven per cent agreed that “the entire way our society is organised must be radically changed through revolution” – compared with 33 per cent of 45 to 65-year-olds.
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Forty-seven per cent agreed that “the entire way our society is organised must be radically changed through revolution”
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That isn't necessarily right wing
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I am definitely of the opinion that there should be an age limit if for no other reason than people over a certain age can clearly never be trusted to vote in the interests of the people who it affects. If you’re voting for things like Brexit and because you want a new local train station, things that won’t fully make an impact until you’re long gone, then you shouldn’t be voting.

But that said I’m not sure I like the idea of that then giving Gen Z more voting share. They can clearly be even less trusted to make decisions on a macro level.
 
funky said:
I am definitely of the opinion that there should be an age limit if for no other reason than people over a certain age can clearly never be trusted to vote in the interests of the people who it affects. If you’re voting for things like Brexit and because you want a new local train station, things that won’t fully make an impact until you’re long gone, then you shouldn’t be voting.

But that said I’m not sure I like the idea of that then giving Gen Z more voting share. They can clearly be even less trusted to make decisions on a macro level.
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To be honest, I take your point but am less sure. I think the rise of popular fascism is directly linked to the greatest generation (who actually lived through the second world war and saw off Hitler) dying off. If we had restricted their votes then that potentially could have accelerated that process. So while I think the “you can’t trust older generations not to be self-interested and short-termist” point is fair in some respects, I think different generations bring different things to the table. Depending on how things go when millennials are old we might be the only ones going up to bat for things like inclusivity, empathy or even basic human decency.
 
Back to the discussion, I believe a smaller proportion of the "greatest generation", voted for Brexit than boomers. Not by much, but it was notable. More of that generation recall the reason for unifying with Europe. Boomers were of course born after it was all over, and famously indulgent of the lingering hatred but not the human side.

The rise of the youth supporting the far right is tragic, but it's hardly surprising. The ability to draw people in with hate is easier than reasonable debate, especially in the age of social media. I'd really like to see a popularist figurehead coming out against the terror of the repressive economic system and evil CEOs in easy terms. Not Corbyn, he was fucking shit, but there was something there.

Voting isn't the problem, the left just need to play the game better.
 
Most of the boomers I know apart from the usual suspects didn’t vote Brexit. But that’s probably a Liverpool thing not a generational thing. Politically it’s closer to Scotland than England on most things.
 
It looks like it didn't make THAT much difference once you got to 45 (coincidentally the age I was at the time :eyes: ). I suspect where you lived then became more of a factor than age.
 
AGinAg (38) said:
Back to the discussion, I believe a smaller proportion of the "greatest generation", voted for Brexit than boomers. Not by much, but it was notable. More of that generation recall the reason for unifying with Europe. Boomers were of course born after it was all over, and famously indulgent of the lingering hatred but not the human side.

The rise of the youth supporting the far right is tragic, but it's hardly surprising. The ability to draw people in with hate is easier than reasonable debate, especially in the age of social media. I'd really like to see a popularist figurehead coming out against the terror of the repressive economic system and evil CEOs in easy terms. Not Corbyn, he was fucking shit, but there was something there.

Voting isn't the problem, the left just need to play the game better.
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Yes and that's not unique to the UK unfortunately. Just look at the Democrats in the US. Or the rest of Europe.

Part of the problem with the left is that they (i.e. we) are almost not willing to play the game, let alone play it better. And there are fractions in the left, let's not forget that either. We are not unified.
 
I can't see anything on a quick search which doesn't lump all 65+ in together. Which is pretty insulting really. Particularly because that doesn't even mean pension age any more.
 
Also worth remembering that it is close to TEN YEARS since the Brexit vote. Everyone in that 18-24 age category has how aged out of it. :manson:
 
Imagine being so brazen in your Nazi beliefs that you'll go on a podcast and not give a fuck about the ramifications (and, as it turns out, not really face any except a telling off)

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UFC: Bryce Mitchell comments about Adolf Hitler 'beyond disgusting', says UFC president Dana White

UFC president Dana White condemns comments by fighter Bryce Mitchell about Adolf Hitler as "beyond disgusting".
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I know it's an MMA fighter and we shouldn't be surprised, but this is indicative of a massive swing of toxic masculinity in the last couple of years which has knocked feminism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia back YEARS and again, yes, I'm sorry, but it's social media related...
 
Until we address the root cause of why toxic masculinity exists then it will continue to exist.

For all the progress we've made empowering women, making space for gender identity etc the sad truth is men, especially young men across a couple of generations, got left behind.

I'm very fortunate that despite coming from a family of fighting working class MANLY MEN my Dad and his brothers are very open about feelings and sharing love. They grew up without a father in a generation that was told to shut up and get on with it but despite that, I was taught a lot of emotional intelligence. MDMA probably helped as well.

Lots of men in our generations haven't had that, and now they feel they don't belong in the world.

Its very easy to go 'oh poor patriarchy' but the vacuum left behind has given rise to this sort of shit, the far right have exploited it and it leaves certain types of men simpering for your Musks and Tates.
 
there just isn't any education. about why "masculinity" needs to be rethought, about why equality goes way beyond surface level feminism or equal pay, about why don't need to be nasty or without feeling/empathy to be seen as strong, why it matters to change things. we still see male heads of state as strong if they go to war. how do we uncouple violence from this outdated idea of strength?

nothing is happening in the classroom, and any attempts to broach such a vast subject are branded woke and vilified. but at the same time porn is raising generations of young men to think women exist as sex dolls, and the Andrew Tates of the world have a huge platform to "fight back" against any attempt at redefining masculinity.

as with many problems facing society an HONEST CONVERSATION and appraisal about the state of things would be a great place to start - but that's never been less possible than today.
 
Some schools are doing good education re: diversity and inclusion, bias, working with male students specifically about these things. It's just few and far between and not nearly ingrained enough.
 
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