what??? What kind of pub were you in??comments I was hearing in the pub last night. (As is "can't we just hang 'em?")
what??? What kind of pub were you in??comments I was hearing in the pub last night. (As is "can't we just hang 'em?")
Obviously the "hang 'em" comment was towards murderers in general just to clarify. I don't think their transphobia goes far beyond the usual "oh did you hear about that transsexual (sic) who killed a cat and then murdered a person" and sort of latching on to their identity.what??? What kind of pub were you in??
NO SUCH THINGThe rarely seen Ok Tory
NO SUCH THING
Sure, but that also applies to the existence of a thread titled "J.K. Rowling and other TERFS" more broadly.I mean, it's not like we don't already know she's a fucking irrational, rotten TERF. I don't get what the Twitter post achieves, other than revelling in the toxicity of it all, or, to be honest, posting it here- it just gives her more oxygen.
(And that isn't meant as offence @Art Decade - it's intended a questioning opinion, if that makes sense).
Sure, but that also applies to the existence of a thread titled "J.K. Rowling and other TERFS" more broadly.
I mean, it's not like we don't already know she's a fucking irrational, rotten TERF. I don't get what the Twitter post achieves, other than revelling in the toxicity of it all, or, to be honest, posting it here- it just gives her more oxygen.
(And that isn't meant as offence @Art Decade - it's intended a questioning opinion, if that makes sense).
“An obvious is example is where I regularly call trans rights activists extremists for believing a man can be a woman just because he says he is, and that this gives him the right to enter women-only spaces, but equally I am called an extremist for believing there are only two biological sexes and that you can’t change sex.”
Make it make sense!!!Apparently she's a huge supporter of trans rights.
But she's a Tory. Hmm....
I think mentioning the recent, quite dramatic shift, from Rowling to ‘ I respect trans women but I just want to protect girls that were born female’ to ‘ I am going to deliberately misgender trans women and deny their very existence’ is important to be documented. What she said 6 years ago is very different to what she is saying now.
I think if we dismiss the TERFs as not representing public views that we are in playing with fire.
And since moving to a private school in September, I have heard anti-trans comments on a daily basis from someone in my office. Subtle but it’s there.
The TERFs literally Facebook posted my school with a Tweet that I had made MONTHS before on the day I started at this school in which I said said that I would protect a child and not tell their parents if they came out as trans if I felt they were at risk of harm’. They tried to get me fired and publicly out me as a ‘danger to children’ including accusations of paedophilia and abuse levelled at me.
The school took no notice and were in full support of me, but I think the tide is shifting so dangerously at the moment and will only ramp up as the election comes up. Everyone knows it’s high on the agenda for dragging the populist vote over. And the fact that it is becoming the populist vote says it all.
Totally agree that the numbers of people with transphobic views have increased - there are YouGov polls that say as much. And i’m not surprised given how relentless the media have been on this. However, I agree with Ag that it is not a “hill to die on” issue for the vast majority of those people and not a vote winner either… most of the public are just too pissed off about the dire state of the country to care.
Back in 2019 I also had TERFs contact my work to try get me sacked from a previous job. My sense then was that these people were very loud and very online wingnuts. Would you say the same with your situation, Cwej? Or has it bled over into normie parents?
Interestingly, India praised the Independent for being the only paper to even cover the story (at least at the time), but did then state exactly what you have said - that she isn't an activist.The independent’s headline today - “JK Rowling deliberately misgenders trans activist India Willoughby” really stuck in my craw.
Last time I checked India was just a TV presenter who happened to be trans. This label “trans activist” seems to be applied to just anybody who is trans and happens to be depending themselves but making them seem like they’re something else. It’s such blatant smearing bullshit.
because grabs people and immigrants (the vulnerable) are easy targets to punch down on and if they can make some noise it'll distract from their own failures in government. there's no strategy to it beyond that.But why do you think the big political parties are pushing a transphobic agenda so much (and so vocally) if it's not going to gain them votes? Surely they've done some polling to work out what's likely to give them a positive swing?
In 2020, JK Rowling wrote in her essay on this: 'Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned.'
Do we think this was all bullshit in the first place? Or do we think she's become further radicalised? Because she wasn't misgendering trans women 3 years ago. Do you think she always felt this way but has become emboldened by the response she's had from TERFs?