ZenGiraffe
Who is SHE though?
I am sad that Upper Class is still sat at 0. Who are Moopy's Landed Gentry, and why haven't they came forward!?
Yes! I’ve never understood this. Why wouldn’t you want people to think you’re BETTER than you are?!Like others, I do find it a fascinating topic.
I do often find that people look to downgrade their class and privilege.
I was out but I was quite, shall we say, discreet in my first two years, because I was already worried about not fitting in. By the time I moved to Moscow for my Year Abroad, I was embracing with my sexuality and my sexual identity (bizarrely, given the cultural context), and I think only in my final (fourth) year, I was in the mindset of "fuck this", but already had one foot in London by that point.Omg poor you! I knew two gay lawyers there. Both dickheads tbh.
Were you not out?
I do often find that people look to downgrade their class and privilege.
What even is upper class these days? Do you have to have a title and have inherited a crumbling old mansion or just be given a penthouse in Kensington by Wanker Banker Daddy?
Rita's housewife quote!What I don’t own darling, isn’t worth owning.
What even is upper class these days? Do you have to have a title and have inherited a crumbling old mansion or just be given a penthouse in Kensington by Wanker Banker Daddy?
I've experienced this a lot. To me it seems to be a mixture of people, those who have climbed up the social ladder who like to tell everyone they meet about shaking the working class background. OR those who feel like they can't forget their roots and act working class when in reality they really are not.Like others, I do find it a fascinating topic.
I do often find that people look to downgrade their class and privilege. People who are extremely comfortable and come from a reasonable background saying they feel affiliated with working class
I think people from Mosul generally had a high social pedigree. Their families and communities had been established long before any of the political turmoil began. Jewish people too.
RS, sorry if I've already asked this, but are you Assyrian?
When I was at university, I had a Mancunian lecturer who asked (in a lecture on CORRIE ) who considered themselves working class. Hands were raised. She turned around and said 'you're not though. You're at university'. It probably felt a bit antagonistic, especially considering it was an OLD POLY, but it does sort of demonstrate what hard-to-define thing class really is.
Oh Mosul definitely served academia realness to the rest of the country, and a lot of its Christians later moved down to Baghdad and Basra. I’m first generation Baghdadi, and actually never really been to Mosul.
No, I’m Arab (but we’re most probably Arabisized Syriac/Aramaic).
attending university doesn't really cut it anymore, does it, as a guaranteed ticket to the next tier?
hail the precariat!
Omg we have had such similar lives! We are also Syriac Aramaic who migrated to Baghdad during our parent's generation.
I even remember my Holy Communion, where they 'sacrificed' a sheep
Do you happen to remember the area/neighborhood you lived in?
The only people more classist than Brits: émigré Arabs!
Of course, I remember everything. I was 11 when we left. We lived in al Yarmouk/Qadisyah. You?
We (as a society, not I... okay a bit) still look down on people that originate from or marry with people from the villages around Mosul or North east Syria. Just hearing their dialects make us cringe despite us not having set foot in Mosul for decades (or ever).
I'm clutching my pearls just thinking about a peasant with the wrong accent.
I have to cancel
I think there’s a big chasm between lower middle class and upper middle class as well, middle class is far too broad a category, I reckon 75% of people would describe themselves as such.
I would say that a lot of snobbery towards chavs / peasants with the wrong accent comes from our own sense of insecurity. I'm sure the Royals just pity us all, and never worry about such lowly topics as class.