Malta 2025: Miriana Conte - SERVING (1 Viewer)

Tisch said:
This is what I was alluding to before. "Kant" on its own could mean "singing" (if they really want to insist that it does). "Serving kant" clearly doesn't.

In a similar example I remember hearing about Radio 1 censored the word "sex" on a Rita Ora song. "Sex" is usually okay to get past the censors, but this came after the word "drunk" and the implication of "drunk sex" is worse than "sex alone". So the word "drunk" stayed, but not the "sex".

Basically it's not just the word. It's the context it's used it that can make all the difference.
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The same Radio 1 that doesn't censor faggot at Christmas?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
 
There's loads of weird inconsistencies. I'm sure the word 'bitch' was and probably still is routinely bleeped out of rap songs on British radio, but the Meredith Brooks song was rarely if ever censored when it was a hit, as far as I remember. I guess it's only considered offensive if it's being used as a pejorative?
 
Tisch said:
I'm really surprised. Would the BBC get in trouble for censoring it themselves?
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I suppose the most painless way for this to go would be to allow the song as it is but give the BBC (and RTE presumably) permission to censor it.
 
Pingu said:
I suppose the most painless way for this to go would be to allow the song as it is but give the BBC (and RTE presumably) permission to censor it.
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Doesn't that violate the principle that the contest has to be broadcast in its entirety?
 
Yeah you can't let broadcasters selectively censor entries. That's why none of the middle eastern EBU members will participate while Israel are involved.
 
Yes, at the end of the day - wasn't HALF THE APPEAL of the likes of Moja štikla that she chose lyrics that sounded like she was swearing the hall down?
 
VoR said:
Or maybe we're overthinking it and all that happens is Graham makes a wry comment about how she's DEFINITELY singing about singing and anything else is just down to the filthy minds of the viewers?
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I think this is it (and perhaps it will find itself helpfully towards the end of the running order by hook or by crook)
 
Even if she's drawn first half, they can put her in 11-13th and guarantee she's on after the watershed.
 
Penelope said:
Doesn't that violate the principle that the contest has to be broadcast in its entirety?
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Hence why I said "allow" them to do that. They'd obviously need permission.

They did it with Silvia Night in 2006 when they were worried she would drop the f-bomb (even though she eventually didn't).
 
Pingu said:
Hence why I said "allow" them to do that. They'd obviously need permission.

They did it with Silvia Night in 2006 when they were worried she would drop the f-bomb (even though she eventually didn't).
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Wouldn't that be something they'd have censored themselves from the tape delay, though? It feels like a different category which is opening a whole barrel of worms to delve into.
 
VoR said:
Or maybe we're overthinking it and all that happens is Graham makes a wry comment about how she's DEFINITELY singing about singing and anything else is just down to the filthy minds of the viewers?
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This would be both the actually correct way to handle it and I think what they'll actually do. We've MOVED PAST pearl clutching about words as a nation I hope.
 
Penelope said:
Wouldn't that be something they'd have censored themselves from the tape delay, though? It feels like a different category which is opening a whole barrel of worms to delve into.
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Eurovision doesn't have a delay. If it had they wouldn't have censored it as she sang "fricking."
 
VoR said:
Or maybe we're overthinking it and all that happens is Graham makes a wry comment about how she's DEFINITELY singing about singing and anything else is just down to the filthy minds of the viewers?
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I mean, that’s the only way that they can handle the situation but it’s not going to work. I’ve read the BBC and Ofcom editorial guidelines and the song is unambiguously unbroadcastable. If they get any complaints, and they will, there will be a frankly colossal fine. I’m just hoping that the BBC have actually referred this to senior management rather than some junior producer deciding that it’s fine on his own. If they get any big bosses only realise what is happening the week of the contest, I could see them refusing to show Eurovision at all rather than broadcasting that.

I’m not saying that any of the above is right but it’s still what’s going to happen.
 
VoR said:
How is it unbroadcastable if they only play it after 9pm?
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The watershed isn’t a hard limit. The BBC editorial guidelines specifically say that harder bad language is likely to be unacceptable on BBC1, between 9pm and 10pm, or on shows which are particularly likely to be viewed by children, which will certainly include Eurovision. No one, except possibly ZenGiraffe, would be arguing that they could broadcast the song if they didn’t have the ‘no, it actually means singing’ fig leaf.
 
I don't doubt there's a Daily Mail headline or three in this, which can frankly only help the song. But I still think the fact that she's not technically singing the word cunt will be enough for the powers that be to look the other way or at worst make some small changes that won't materially impact the performance/broadcast.
 
Actually, after looking at the BBC editorial guidelines again, putting it late in the running order won’t help. Programs that straddle the watershed are expected to be watershed compliant throughout.
 
There is nothing concrete about any broadcasting rules on harm and offence, as there are always exceptions for editorially justified content. (If the PM called Trump a cunt at a press conference you can absolutely guarantee they'd be playing that clip on the 6pm news)

So essentially they need to argue to OFCOM/ the government that 1) she's not ACTUALLY saying cunt
2) "cunt" in this context is empowering not derogatory
3) they have obligations to the EBU and the content of other broadcasters are obviously not within their jurisdiction
4) it's happening anyway and so they should show a fair and true account of the contest

I reckon that's a fight they'd win.
 
I don't think it's anywhere near as solid a line as is made out. But I think they'll make them change the song lyrics when it comes down to it anyway. (at least to "singing kant")
 
I am praying that they have actually already taken this to the controller of BBC1, aren’t ignoring it because she isn’t technically saying ‘cunt’ and they have decided to front out the controversy. If he only finds out about it from the Daily Express on Thursday morning, we’re all fucked.
 
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