Neil Young, Joni Mitchell vs Spotify & Joe Rogan

Apple Music has always been better and I stand by it.

Joe Rogan is the worst. I can't claim to be a big Neil Young fan, but I've loved his song Harvest Moon since it was used in Big Little Lies
 
Ellie said:
I keep hearing the name Joe Rogan but still have no idea who he actually is.
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He used to present FEAR FACTOR!

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Now he has this podcast where he talks to often awful people and says misinformed things
 
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I haven’t listened either, but my anti-vaxxer misogynistic pig coworker often talks about it, so HARD PASS
 
This is a very very broad subject.
I could say that Bolsonaro kept misinforming millions of Brazilians regarding the inefficiency of the vaccine and kept promoting hydroxychloroquine as an “official treatment” for COVID through his live transmissions on Facebook, but I can see that both Neil Young and Joni Mitchell still have official (probably record company run) pages on Facebook and never demanded that their names be removed and not promoted in Facebook.
So, how determined are these artists to fight misinformation?
 
Get your Joni listens in while you can, she’s requested all her music be pulled from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young. :(

In an act of solidarity between two veteran rock stars with a shared history of espousing progressive causes, Joni Mitchell has joined Neil Young in removing her music from Spotify in protest at it hosting a popular anti-vax podcast.

Mitchell, whose album 1971 Blue is regarded as one of the greatest of all time, is the first high-profile musician to take a stand alongside Young against the streaming behemoth.

“Irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives,” she said in a message posted on her website. “I stand in solidarity with Neil Young and the global scientific and medical communities on this issue.”

Spotify began removing Young’s music from its platform after he issued an ultimatum to the company. Referring to controversial podcasts by the comedian Joe Rogan hosted by Spotify, Young said: “They can have Rogan or Young. Not both.”
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I'm fully aware of Joe Rogan. I don't care for him, but he's far from the worst on the subject. His problem is the size of his audience.
 
VoR said:
Get your Joni listens in while you can, she’s requested all her music be pulled from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young. :(
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i was just wondering if this is new thread worthy. i have a feeling more will follow and not only because of joe rogan but because the pay is very poor.
i appreciate the access spotify gives but i feel its stronghold on the music industry is bad bad not good.
 
I can't say I'm thrilled about this. I didn't give a shit about Neil Young, but Joni is an unacceptable step in the wrong direction.

I am utterly Spotify reliant for all my music. I know the pay model is terrible for musicians. But I pay for it and buy vinyls. I'm not a monster.
 
As I said elsewhere I don't care for Joe Rogan, but he's far from the worst in his field. His problem is the size of his audience. At some point enough musicians will withdraw and outweigh his audience I guess. The problem is I can't see all of them returning.

Streaming models are always vulnerable to things like this. When being comprehensive and accessible is the value they attach to their product, and that is no longer the case the consumer loses out.
 
octophone said:
Well, it's gone tits up - a whole raft of stuff has been removed due to "licencing issues" and folks who'd paid subscriptions are mahoosively unhappy. Zappa, Led Zep, Autechre, The Smiths - all gone.
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If only this *had* been the end of it...as it was, it was the start of labels making deals to keep all the cash.
 
Spotify paid $200m for Joe Rogan. It’s going to take much bigger names than Young and Mitchell pulling out for them to give him the boot I fear.
 
Yes, big contemporary artists need to bail for this to get any traction - if Dua Lipa, Taylor Swift and Adele pulled their catalogues, they'd be in the shit. Such as it is, they'll roll on.
 
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This is a very very broad subject.
I could say that Bolsonaro kept misinforming millions of Brazilians regarding the inefficiency of the vaccine and kept promoting hydroxychloroquine as an “official treatment” for COVID through his live transmissions on Facebook, but I can see that both Neil Young and Joni Mitchell still have official (probably record company run) pages on Facebook and never demanded that their names be removed and not promoted in Facebook.
So, how determined are these artists to fight misinformation?
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You pick your battles though, don't you? They're musicians so their thoughts on Spotify probably hold more sway than their thoughts on Facebook.

And you could argue there's a world of difference between hosting misinformation and actively paying billions of dollars for it.
 
Gangsta Nancy Lam said:
You pick your battles though, don't you? They're musicians so their thoughts on Spotify probably hold more sway than their thoughts on Facebook.

And you could argue there's a world of difference between hosting misinformation and actively paying billions of dollars for it.
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The issue here is that you shouldn't expect Facebook or Spotify to take care of something that's detrimental to the general public. They're businesses after all. You should expect governments to do something about it.
 


I think it would have been better for him to just not say anything
 
I'm a little surprised he didn't tweet 'What's a Spotify?'
 
Waiting for the first artist who asks to come off Spotify and their label says "lol no". That could be a turning point.
 
I've seen multiple vegan food accounts, mainly the ones ran by STRAIGHT MEN share an episode of Joe Rogan that has a discredited and prominent anti-vax "scientist" on as a guest (I can't remember his name otherwise I would link it). There's such a disturbing crossover between a lot of vegan/health-food accounts and the far right/anti-vax movement.
Russell Brand was sharing it too.

It's really scary considering the reach the podcast has, and such a worrying gateway drug into the whole anti-vax/QAnon/Misinformation cycle.
I've read a lot recently that QAnon/anti-vax candidates are targeting local elections in America as a slow-takeover of the system, and because not many people pay attention to them their candidates are starting to get elected. It's really all quite TERRIFYING!
 
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I associate Joe Rogan with the UFC though his commentary essentially consists of squealing “oh my goodness” at varying degrees of decibels. I’ve no interest in his podcast. Glad to see Neil and Joni take a stand though I’m sure they don’t benefit at all from streaming,well maybe the wonderful Joni does at Christmas through ‘River’ streams.
 
If Spotify could just fire Joe Rogan and be done with it please. I don't want to change music service because the alternatives, especially on an Android phone, are shite.
 
Joe Rogan is the epitome of that 'FREE SPEECH', 'SAYING THE UNSAYABLE' trope that actually just amounts to doing zero research and acting like you know shit anyway. I'm not surprised it's the most popular podcast on the planet.
 
Oh gosh. Well I find him very hot, but admittedly have never listened beyond Miley Cyrus responding to something he said about drag queens doing death drops :D
 
Having just seen a video response from him on Insta I have to say what he says sounds pretty reasonable (not ever having heard an episode). It seems the furore is to do with two medical guests he had on two particular episodes but he has done other episodes offering the opposite point of view and says he should probably have had opposing opinions on all of these episodes.
 
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