Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe

Kratz said:
Nemesis often follows hubris.
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what hubris? :D

some of y'all are really fucking weird about her speaking HER TRUTH (and by all accounts the truth) about what it's like to be an artist (woman) in the industry. just shut up and make pop music!!! is the vibe being given off. no wonder she HATES YOU.
 
Jark said:
what hubris? :D

some of y'all are really fucking weird about her speaking HER TRUTH (and by all accounts the truth) about what it's like to be an artist (woman) in the industry. just shut up and make pop music!!! is the vibe being given off. no wonder she HATES YOU.
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Regardless, if you persist on being a pain in the arse on the way up, don’t be surprised if it’s a bumpy landing on the way down. Be yourself, be honest, but also try and be bit humble. Let’s face it, there’s a million potential popstars out there.

Whilst we’re at it, there’s no such thing as speaking ‘her, my or your truth’ (my eyes could roll right out of my head at THAT). There’s just the truth.
 
Kratz said:
Be yourself, be honest, but also try and be bit humble.
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where has she been not humble? is it somehow arrogant to say people who are abusing you or screaming at you in the street are not a good thing for your mental health? by being humble you mean shut up and take it?
 
I'm tiring of it too. Her immense organic rise has been so nice to witness and to feel a very small part of (I'm sure I'm not alone in giving TRAFOAWP few whirls last year before all this...) and her honest attitude was at first refreshing, but she actually seems to be actively going out of her way to whinge at EVERYTHING and make it her personality. It's all about memeable twitter moments isn't it?

Not saying I need my popstars to be sunshine and rainbows all the time, but she could at least try to have a bit of FUN with us all.

I'm trying to equate it to my 9-5 desk job (which I realise is a bit apples Vs oranges, but whatever). Of course we all like to have a moan, but it's to a point. We still have an atmosphere to keep and are all part of that.
 
And look, if fans' behaviour is making her unhappy, she should just set some boundaries, like Avril Lavigne!

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Tisch said:
I'm trying to equate it to my 9-5 desk job (which I realise is a bit apples Vs oranges, but whatever). Of course we all like to have a moan, but it's to a point. We still have an atmosphere to keep and are all part of that.
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you said it yourself though, it's not comparible. we know stan culture has gotten a lot worse. Bebe Rexha has had bottles thrown at her on stage multiple times! this is not normal behaviour.

I honestly don't think she gives a fuck about being loved. if there has been an attitude that popstars are public property and that's the trade off for being famous, she seems happy to challenge it. and someone should! good for her. she won't lose sleep if people with antiquated attitudes don't get it.
 
People are allowed to view it differently, Jark babe.

I think she seems an absolute nightmare, and whilst I agree with you that she of course should not be abused or mis-treated, part of being a famous popstar is being in the public eye so if that offends her so much, don’t fucking be a popstar. Some of it wreaks a bit of entitled Gen Z (/boomer) to me.
 
are we really unhappy that she's taking the piss out of a 30 dollar wanker LA smoothie? :D it's almost like anything she says now will be used against her to prove she's miserable!
 
Come on, you've all been around the block enough times to know how this works...she talks for 30 minutes about her tour, her album, her new songs etc and the clickbait is lifted out, even if it's an irrelevant aside about a smoothie. She is being painted in a very particular and familiar stereotype, the bitchy big sister. Someone at the label probably does need to give her a wee bit of training/advice etc but you know what the industry is like when a goose is laying golden eggs. My fear is that she cracks and becomes like Britney Spears, especially given how her legal next of kin feel about much of what she says and does.
 
octophone said:
My fear is that she cracks and becomes like Britney Spears, especially given how her legal next of kin feel about much of what she says and does.
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I know nothing of her back story to know if she was a child star or anything like that, but the fact that she hasn't reached this level of fame until her mid 20s would make me hope that she'll be able to weather the shit coming her way now.

And yes, I also agree about your other point. This all feels rather transparent in terms of how she's being portrayed and what is being lifted from interviews. I'm just pleased she is calling out shit where it's needed. And I'm not counting the ratio of lovely things she's saying to find out if it's acceptable.
 
It’s all bark and no bite at the moment. I want to see her leathering a reporter at the airport.
 
I love this new Chappell Moan era. As a 40 year plus fan of the ultimate MOANER Madonna I embrace this new Queen open arms

BRING ME A FAN
 
why would a UK crowd turn on her for slagging off America? i'm calling bullshit. but would Jim McNulty volunteer chauffeur lie?
 
I saw Rachel Tucker (amazing) in Dublin last week, who told a story about her mother referring to her I'd Do Anything colour (yellow), saying "at least they didn't put you in green"

There was a shift in the the energy 🥴
 
I didn't read that it was Dublin. @dUb
hasn't sent me to the guillotine yet so maybe I'll live another day.

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... aaand I'll use it to say you know she's getting that carefully orchestrated twitter backlash when people are straight up lying to feed the hate train. from "this song doesn't land in the US" to "I hate playing America". stupid fucks.
 
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Devil said:
People are allowed to view it differently, Jark babe.

I think she seems an absolute nightmare, and whilst I agree with you that she of course should not be abused or mis-treated, part of being a famous popstar is being in the public eye so if that offends her so much, don’t fucking be a popstar. Some of it wreaks a bit of entitled Gen Z (/boomer) to me.
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She is EXTREMELY gen z - and I think it is important to remember that and how young she is in the grand scheme of things (despite being almost OLD for a breakthrough popstar). Many have a tendency at that age to be idealistic about things - when she first started kicking off about the fame stuff, it almost felt like she was saying "I want all the good bits of my job and none of the bad bits - thanks!" which came across as very naive. I also think she made a bit of an error speaking initially about things like being asked for photos by fans when she is out at brunch with friends, because that stuff is a BIT part and parcel of being in the public eye and as long as people are respectful, you kind of have to deal with it. However, I fully support her shining a light on and pushing back on some of the more extreme aspects of what celebrities (and especially female celebrities) have to put up with. Building on what Octy said, I think she would REALLY benefit from some mentorship from people in the industry who have been THROUGH IT.

I'm very conscious that the vast majority of people in this thread are men who don't appear to be considering how much of their reaction to her behaviour is conditioned by societal expectations of women to be passive, amenable and people-pleasing... or who don't seem to be recognising the media's appetite to tear women down for failing to meet that expectation.
 
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Tetris-Rock said:
She is EXTREMELY gen z - and I think it is important to remember that and how young she is in the grand scheme of things (despite being almost OLD for a breakthrough popstar). Many have a tendency at that age to be idealistic about things - when she first started kicking off about the fame stuff, it almost felt like she was saying "I want all the good bits of my job and none of the bad bits - thanks!" which came across as very naive. I also think she made a bit of an error speaking initially about things like being asked for photos by fans when she is out at brunch with friends, because that stuff is a BIT part and parcel of being in the public eye and as long as people are respectful, you kind of have to deal with it. However, I fully support her shining a light on and pushing back on some of the more extreme aspects of what celebrities (and especially female celebrities) have to put up with. Building on what Octy said, I think she would REALLY benefit from some mentorship from people in the industry who have been THROUGH IT.

I'm very conscious that the vast majority of people in this thread are men who don't appear to be considering how much of their reaction to her behaviour is conditioned by societal expectations of women to be passive, amenable and people-pleasing... or who don't seem to be recognising the media's appetite to tear women down for failing to meet that expectation.
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Thank you.
 
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