Eurovision 2024: Semi-Final 2 (8PM BST)

VoRonika said:
The more I think about it, fuck the fucking useless Italian broadcaster for causing this mess. If they hadn't leaked those results, the EBU presumbly would have buried Israel in the running order anyway and no doubt there'd be speculation, but nowhere near this level of discourse which is obviously going to further motivate the Israeli vote.

Even when they're not hosting they manage to fuck things up :D
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Truly peak RAI behaviour. Trust them to be the ones to "accidentally" (:eyes:) throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
 
VoRonika said:
As for the booing vs cheering, we do have to be realistic about this. A lot of people are clearly experiencing their Brexit vote/US 2016 election night moment and getting a sharp lesson that their online/social bubble is NOT the world. If a forum as left-leaning as Moopy is quite sharply divided on the situation in Isreal/Gaza, then of course the wider public is too.

I agree that a lot of people just stayed silent - I was one of them, I sat on my hands so my silly little wristband wouldn't contribute to the light show and neither cheered & clapped nor booed. But to pretend there wasn't a large amount of vocal support for Israel in the room is just delusional.
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There is a clear difference between the leaked rehearsal/jury feed and the broadcast. Is the makeup of the audience that different between the two nights?
 
I also wonder how many are actually only voting or cheering for Israel mainly out of spite (or even sympathy) because of all the protests against their participation
 
Maybe? Hard to say, but the rehearsals might possibly be more of a hardcore fan audience vs the live shows. Also I wouldn't be surprised if the Israeli fans were particularly motivated to be in the audience to show support during what they know will be a televised show. They've been VERY vocal at every event I've been to.
 
Laß diemlaw Sonne in dein Herz said:
The only solution is for everyone, regardless of their feelings for the song, to televote Croatia as hard and as often as they can.
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I hate that this feels necessary and reduces it to election style fuckery, but I agree, and it feels important too. I don't want Israel to win to send out some message to the EBU or whoever, the resulting chaos will be horrendous. Getting behind Croatia feels like the only thing you can do that's close to an anti-vote.
 
As for last night, I can't remember which songs exactly but it really felt like some truly awful camera angles damaged a lot of performances. Pretty sure Italy was one. There was so much panning away for no reason or at the wrong times.

As much as I didn't think Austria would make it initially, as soon as we watched last night we changed our minds, because it felt like they got the entire package right and showed exactly what was needed at the right time. It makes such a difference.

(Thinking about it, I thought Estonia and partly Georgia were screwed over in that way too, but at least they got through)
 
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I thought this semi was pretty poor, a big step down from Tuesday and a bit of a slog really

Thank goodness for Spain and a couple of others
 
Anyway on a lighter note, some NUMBERS.

Latvia
First qualification since 2016, breaking the joint-longest run of NQs at six. First time all three Baltic states qualify since 2015.
Qualification rate since 2008: 3/16

Austria
Second consecutive qualification. Their best run is five from 2014-2018 (inc. one hosting)
Qualification rate: 8/13 (they sat out 2008, 2009 and 2010)

Greece
First qualification since 2022. They clocked up an 8-year streak from 2008-2015 but have been a bit spottier since then with three NQs in 2016, 2018 and 2023.
Qualification rate: 13/16

Netherlands
First qualification since 2022. Last year they broke a six year run of qualifiers.
Qualification rate: 9/16

Israel
Second consecutive qualification.
Qualification rate: 11/16

Norway
Seventh consecutive qualification, extending their best run and one of the longest runs in the contest after Ukraine (16 years) and Sweden (13 years).
Qualification rate: 14/16

Georgia
First qualification since 2016, breaking the co-longest streak of NQs in the Contest.
Qualification rate: 7/15 (withdrew in 2009)

Switzerland
Fifth consecutive qualification, extending their best ever run. They were notoriously dreadful before their 2019 reset, with only two qualifiers between 2008-2018.
Qualification rate: 7/16

Estonia
Third consecutive qualifier, equalling their best ever run which was also achieved from 2011-2013.
Qualification rate: 10/16

Armenia
Third consecutive qualifier, their best run is five between 2013 and 2017.
Qualification rate: 11/14 (They skipped 2012 and 2021)
 
Raining on Llámame said:
As for last night, I can't remember which songs exactly but it really felt like some truly awful camera angles damaged a lot of performances. Pretty sure Italy was one. There was so much panning away for no reason or at the wrong times.
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I remember thinking the camera work sucked some of the energy out of Switzerland's performance.

And why did they not show Spain's THONG REVEAL?
 
Regional

Baltics: 3/3 (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania)
Benelux: 2/3 (Luxembourg & Netherlands IN, Belgium OUT)
Caucasus: 2/3 (Armenia & Georgia IN, Azerbaijan OUT)
Nordics: 3/5 (Finland, Norway & Sweden IN, Denmark & Iceland OUT)
Former Yugoslav Republics: 3/3 (Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia)
 
If you include countries which have shown up somewhat recently, Montenegro DNQed with their last five entries.
 
In some sort of strange way I’m happy we get to keep our 8 NQ in a row record. We remain a beacon of hope in how anyone can change their Eurovision path.
 
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Raining on Llámame said:
As for last night, I can't remember which songs exactly but it really felt like some truly awful camera angles damaged a lot of performances. Pretty sure Italy was one. There was so much panning away for no reason or at the wrong times.

As much as I didn't think Austria would make it initially, as soon as we watched last night we changed our minds, because it felt like they got the entire package right and showed exactly what was needed at the right time. It makes such a difference.

(Thinking about it, I thought Estonia and partly Georgia were screwed over in that way too, but at least they got through)
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Who decides the camera angles; the host producers or each country?
 
Albania
First non-qualifier since 2022. Their best run is three consecutive qualifiers, which they achieved from 2008-2010 and 2018-2021.
Qualification rate: 9/16

Belgium
First NQ since 2019. This breaks their joint longest streak of qualifiers at three, they've never managed four.
Qualification rate: 8/16

Czechia
First non-qualifier since 2021. They've never qualified three times in a row.
Qualification rate: 5/11 (They sat out 2010-2014)

Denmark
Extending their worst-ever run, this once Eurovision powerhouse has now had four consecutive NQs, the worst unbroken run of this year's competing countries. From 2008-2014 they managed to qualify every year, so they've really taken a fall from grace.
Qualification rate: 10/16

Malta
Third consecutive non-qualifier. Surprisingly their worst ever run - they've never had more than two back-to-back NQs before.
Qualification rate: 7/16

San Marino
Third consecutive non-qualifier. Their worst run is four NQs, which they clocked up from 2008-2013 and 2015-2018.
Qualification rate: 3/14
 
lolly smitten-downes said:
Italy had the worst direction for my money. It was utterly chaotic, and not it the good way.
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I'm really sad about this. The one performance this year that needed nothing extra, just her and the shuffly solo dance/strut. It's like they've clipped her wings :(

Not to mention the fact it's so DARK, and the messy camera angles.

Have Italy just self-sabotaged so they don't have to send a woman again?

(Still hoping it comes top 5)
 
Annoyingly for Denmark I expect they would have qualified in 2020
 
I hope Denmark take a lesson from this and realise the sultry Anja/Malene route is the way forward.
 
OutSynk said:
How do you accidentally type them out and put them on the screen for everyone to see.
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Quite, those graphics were READY.

I've seen some things online about RAI doing this every year though? And that the votes may not be "real" because suspicious votes end up not being counted. It was a bit CONFUSING. :sugar:
 
And what do they mean by incomplete? Sounds like whole lot of arse covering to me
 
T!SCHTER said:
Quite, those graphics were READY.

I've seen some things online about RAI doing this every year though? And that the votes may not be "real" because suspicious votes end up not being counted. It was a bit CONFUSING. :hostage:
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By law they have to release the voting percentages but they only are meant to do it after the final
 
I believe that what RAI means is that they're the results they got, but it's not the actual result in that it includes suspicious votes that haven't been filtered out by the central voting auditor - their published results in the past have occasionally differed from what was presented at ESC. It does feel a like an intentional 'leak' though.
 
VoRonika said:
Regional

Baltics: 3/3 (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania)
Benelux: 2/3 (Luxembourg & Netherlands IN, Belgium OUT)
Caucasus: 2/3 (Armenia & Georgia IN, Azerbaijan OUT)
Nordics: 3/5 (Finland, Norway & Sweden IN, Denmark & Iceland OUT)
Former Yugoslav Republics: 3/3 (Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia)
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East meds: 3/6
(Malta, San Marino, Albania OUT Greece, Cyprus, Israel IN)
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