Labour (and Conservative) Party SPLIT

[Eddie]

So you begrudgingly voted to remain in the EU then?

 

[Mugatu]

So you begrudgingly voted to remain in the EU then?

Less begrudgingly at the time, my politics have changed a lot and I'm better-read than I was in 2016.

 

[VoR]

So how would you vote if there did end up being a second referendum?

 

[Beverley]

Oooh I just noticed the LOVELY tags about me.

 

[big ron]

There’s a serious gap in the logic of how some people like Tom Watson try to square socialism with EU membership. The “socialism is internationalism” mantra is meaningless if you can’t build socialism in your own country first. The EU is fundamentally tied to free-market capitalism – and that shouldn’t be a Labour value. I don’t understand how he can look at what happened in Greece and conclude that the EU isn’t a bosses’ club, economically.

At this stage, the reform argument isn’t realistic at all. It would require huge shifts in the government of major powers like France and Germany, the unprecedented success of a massive pan-European political movement and an EU bureaucracy willing to lose their jobs, power and wealth.

I agree with you a lot in this post but I'm still very much pro EU, if not for a lot of selfish reasons. That said I disagree that because reform looks difficult we should abandon it. I also don't think we should lose sight of the driving forces behind the current motivations for the UK leaving the EU, because they are as far from a socialist concept as can be.

If I thought the Labour argument for leaving was compelling and wouldn't amplify the voices of the dickheads who got us to this point I might be able to support it, but unfortunately that isn't the case.

 

[Eddie]

I also don't think we should lose sight of the driving forces behind the current motivations for the UK leaving the EU, because they are as far from a socialist concept as can be.

Exactly. How can those (sensible) people advocating leaving the EU be in denial about this?

 

[Penelope]

Lexit is utter dogshit at the end of the day (good luck building socialism from a siege economy!) and the forces that punished Greece came far more from the specific bodies governing the Eurozone (and the desire to keep the euro stable) than the EU as a whole.

 

[big ron]

Lexit is a terrible 'word' and should never be used again.

I see Jez is finally supporting a 2nd ref.

 

[Alex]

Lexit is utter dogshit at the end of the day (good luck building socialism from a siege economy!) and the forces that punished Greece came far more from the specific bodies governing the Eurozone (and the desire to keep the euro stable) than the EU as a whole.

Part of the problem with Greece was that they didnt really meet the conditions for joining the euro as well i seem to recall, willing ignorance from EU and dodgy government workings within Greece itself

 

[Shirley]

GLORIA DE PIERO quits front bench (I didn't know she was ON it) and will not be seeking RE-ELECTION

What a BLACK DAY for politics