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Who is SHE though?
Did Jo Swinson get the memo about that? She seemed pretty nuke happy last I saw her.Which Labour and Conservatives supported...but evil centrist LIB DEMS opposed
Did Jo Swinson get the memo about that? She seemed pretty nuke happy last I saw her.Which Labour and Conservatives supported...but evil centrist LIB DEMS opposed
Which Labour and Conservatives supported...but evil centrist LIB DEMS opposed
I know it’s a BIT EARLY but I can really see a HUNG PARLIAMENT in the next election and if there was ever a chance for a left wing coalition (providing SCOTLAND are still with us)
That was about defense rather than INVASION. But yes very naive in her answerDid Jo Swinson get the memo about that? She seemed pretty nuke happy last I saw her.
You raised it. So you can use it to diss “centrist” Labour but if applied to another party it is invalid ?How long are you cunts gonna dine out on that for?!
Can't believe we're finally going to SOLVE POLITICS tonight, right here on Moopy
I will regret replying to this thread i’m sureCan't believe we're finally going to SOLVE POLITICS tonight, right here on Moopy
Non aggression between Labour and Lib dems. PR in Labour manifestoIn the nicest way, is there a solution to this? How can there be an option when the Conservatives just want power? You can't be the opposite of a party with no ideals. Everyone here mostly agrees on policy it seems, but there just doesn't seem to be an actual path to a left-wing, or even left of center, majority. It seems like some sort of structural change is needed
How can there be an option when the Conservatives just want power? You can't be the opposite of a party with no ideals.
Voting reform, so a hung parliament resulting in a Labour prime minister. That means everyone can put Greens, Lib Dems etc. as their first preference and Labour as their backup. In that scenario you'd also see Labour and Tories split, more than likely, into the wings of the parties that currently have to coexist quite awkwardly.In the nicest way, is there a solution to this? How can there be an option when the Conservatives just want power? You can't be the opposite of a party with no ideals. Everyone here mostly agrees on policy it seems, but there just doesn't seem to be an actual path to a left-wing, or even left of center, majority. It seems like some sort of structural change is needed
You raised it. So you can use it to diss “centrist” Labour but if applied to another party it is invalid ?
To be fair, they aren't anywhere near as bad as the Republicans ere in this respect.In the nicest way, is there a solution to this? How can there be an option when the Conservatives just want power? You can't be the opposite of a party with no ideals. Everyone here mostly agrees on policy it seems, but there just doesn't seem to be an actual path to a left-wing, or even left of center, majority. It seems like some sort of structural change is needed
Did Jo Swinson get the memo about that? She seemed pretty nuke happy last I saw her.
I'm glad the electorate rejected her 'nuke the Formby squirrel reserve' policy at the polls.
To be fair, they aren't anywhere near as bad as the Republicans ere in this respect.
It's not so much that that fucks over Labour, so much as the Conservatives just stubbornly beimg more popular. To be fair, I'm not sure the system is allowing them to win more than a party which notched up two of its last three wins without even coming first on the popular vote!Well thats a high bar to cross
But seriously, as abhorrent as the Republicans are, at least there is only one opposition party that has a chance to win. The British seem more liberal generally, but the system, or at least how it is being used right now, allows for the Conservatives to win more than the Republicans.
It's not so much that that fucks over Labour, so much as the Conservatives just stubbornly beimg more popular. To be fair, I'm not sure the system is allowing them to win more than a party which notched up two of its last three wins without even coming first on the popular vote!
what ice cold take is this? there's a difference between "centrism is Conservatism by another name" (clearly untrue - centre is not centre-right, or it would be called centre-right) and the reality that offering centrism to disenfranchised voters who have shifted to the right is not going to win them back. you're deliberately over-simplifying the argument to paint anyone who still wants Labour to fly the flag for the left as "unwilling to compromise" or complicit in keeping the Tories in power, which is total bs.This idea that 'centrism' is just Conservativism by another name is so absurd and self-defeating. You can't hate compromise more than you hate handing unfettered power to the Tories. Well, you can, but it isn't going to get you anywhere, as recent history has shown.
One major reason Labour failed in the last election was because the working classes outside London felt that they weren't being listened to. You might not like what they have to say, but if you just choose to shame them or disengage from them entirely then you're basically betraying the foundational principles of the party far more than you are by not being the most pure and uncompromising socialist in the room, IMO.
NoCan u still go clubbing in a facist society