See that’s exactly what I was thinking!
- You’re not Lana, fuck off.
- WE HATED THAT LANA ALBUM
Oh as if having a multitude of acoustic guitar references is going to change what we think of this output ie DULL
I love her but this rings very true. She’s fallen into the trap of being a rich and famous person who only writes about being rich and famous.
Show me the lie tho?Oh as if having a multitude of acoustic guitar references is going to change what we think of this output ie DULL
I don't understand how we got from 'Lorde's new album isn't very good' to the (frankly rather tiresome) 'rich white lady' discussion.
She's not that person anymore. Shame on her for growing up and making some money I guess.The thing about Melodrama was that everyone (well not everyone but a lot of people) really resonated with the lyrics. If that’s not the case here then she’s lost a lot of her USP
yeah I feel the same.She's not that person anymore. Shame on her for growing up and making some money I guess.
Oh come on. I didn't say "shame on her" and I don't want her to not be successful or to regress. I want her to be happy like I want everyone I like to be happy, but when the main draw to her music (for me) was the lyrics, and now I don't find the lyrics as interesting, I can dislike that.She's not that person anymore. Shame on her for growing up and making some money I guess.
Shame on her for being carefree then I guess. Truly I despair sometimes.She was already rich as piss at the time of Melodrama anyway. People are only taking issue with her being rich now because she sounds carefree
That wasn’t my point at all. I just don’t see why people on social media can’t criticise the music itself rather than attach the frankly ridiculous “rich white lady” tag to it.Are we not allowed to express non-glowing opinions about albums by artists we're interested in anymore then?
I don't think you need to buy into the ridiculous binary that is 95% of Twitter discourse to acknowledge that some of the criticisms she's getting from that area (and from professional critics) may have something of a point.
You’d think a record about nothing more than going to a club would have have bit more of a TUNE to it…It is totally fine to be carefree if the music is interesting or good. I like a lot of music that is about nothing more than going to a club or other carefree things. But when she made being melodramatic INTERESTING and being carefree BORING, thats the problem. Twitter is going overboard and having no nuance as usual, but thats the issue for me
That wasn’t my point either and it wasn’t directed at you.Oh come on. I didn't say "shame on her" and I don't want her to not be successful or to regress. I want her to be happy like I want everyone I like to be happy, but when the main draw to her music (for me) was the lyrics, and now I don't find the lyrics as interesting, I can dislike that.
Again - I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem, however, with labels like 'rich white lady' being added to the critique or the discussion though. They're reductionist, inflammatory and serve no purpose in driving any positive conversation forward.Well it's hard to divorce the person from the music when the music she writes is (for better or worse) so intensely personal. It'd be ludicrous to pretend everything she writes happens in a vacuum.
Ok that’s fair. I’m sorry for getting so defensiveThat wasn’t my point either and it wasn’t directed at you.
My issue is a bit wider about the need for some people on social media to 'drag' (ugh) women for making certain artistic choices. I don't like it if it's Madonna being sexual or whether it's Lorde singing about being carefree. It makes me uncomfortable. And maybe that's my own issue. No disrespect to any of you here.
You can change, just not for the better!@RJN hates personal growth everybody freeze their personas for 4 years k???