The Vivienne DEAD (1 Viewer)

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That entire post sums up my initial (entirely unfounded, granted) feelings about it. The fucking pressure of the last few weeks must have been huge, whatever the cause of death was. I absolutely respect the right for privacy and not revealing anything publicly, but part of me wishes people had a fucking mirror held up to their disgusting behaviour. I stumbled across a unilad thread about The Vivienne this morning and was incensed at what I read there by a small minority.

#bekind seems a LONG time ago.
 
It is amazing how much absolute shit was and is still being thrown at her when she seems like one of the least problematic Queens.
 
The comments sections on YouTube and Instagram - never mind Twitter and Tik Tok which I’m sure are worse but I thankfully avoid - whenever gay, drag or trans content is posted, is getting really bad now.

Something has changed in the last year or so - not by coincidence in parallel with the growth of terfism and the far right. Homophobia has been normalised again alongside transphobia which has always been normalised. These people are speaking loudly, boldly and in big numbers.

The world needs to fucking wake up to the damage social media is doing to the world and start creating some boundaries. It’s becoming dystopian.
 
I think social media in general has just gotten far too toxic. I mean just average people can post a photo and it’s loads of KILL YOURSELF UGLY BITCH comments. Give someone an ounce of fame and it’s even worse.

I think that’s why I have gravitated more to old school “socializing” like MOOPY and Snapchat because it’s people I actually want to interact with.
 
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Social media gives cunts a voice, when they really should be shunned and silenced. I'm sick of this idea we should listen to everyone; some people don't deserve to be heard because the louder they speak, the more other cunts think it gives them the right to raise their own voice too.
 
Something has changed in the last year or so - not by coincidence in parallel with the growth of terfism and the far right. Homophobia has been normalised again alongside transphobia which has always been normalised. These people are speaking loudly, boldly and in big numbers.
how loud is it though? if you don't go actively looking for it you'll never see it. I think a lot of this "hate" is just toxic online stuff that doesn't translate into the real world.

social media has become an environment where people feel free to say ugly things they wouldn't say "in real life" and probably don't even really believe. a cry for attention, essentially. it's very toxic and quite sad, but I'm not sure it signals a spike in actual prejudice or hatred against minority groups that's spilling over into real life in a meaningful or dangerous way. (maybe terfism is an exception to that)
 
clearly though if you're a celebrity or famous person seeing comments like that about yourself... you've got to be really strong. smarter would be not to engage at all.
 
Social media gives cunts a voice, when they really should be shunned and silenced. I'm sick of this idea we should listen to everyone; some people don't deserve to be heard because the louder they speak, the more other cunts think it gives them the right to raise their own voice too.
It's the 'price' you pay for democracy. It legitimizes everyone's voice. You can't cherry pick. There's a reason why ancient Greek scholars absolutely detested it from the beginning and why it's still seen as a joke by much of the world today.
 
how loud is it though? if you don't go actively looking for it you'll never see it.

I massively disagree with this. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not "loud". It's because we all put ourselves in a bubble where we only hear people with like minded voices. Moopy is a prime example and my actual friendship group is entirely the same.
 
I massively disagree with this. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not "loud". It's because we all put ourselves in a bubble where we only hear people with like minded voices.
well then by your echo chamber logic, the only people who are actually exposed to loud voices of hate online are other loud haters.
 
Social media gives cunts a voice, when they really should be shunned and silenced. I'm sick of this idea we should listen to everyone; some people don't deserve to be heard because the louder they speak, the more other cunts think it gives them the right to raise their own voice too.

I am also wary of this. I take the point, but as a society, our views have become polarised and extreme simply because we can't cope with someone's opinion being different to that of us or our bubble. I'm as guilty of it as most but the people on the "cunt" side see themselves just as valid and "right" as we do.
 
I massively disagree with this. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not "loud". It's because we all put ourselves in a bubble where we only hear people with like minded voices. Moopy is a prime example and my actual friendship group is entirely the same.
Also, Musk literally changed the algorithm of Twitter to reward the cunts spouting off there, so it is very definitely "louder" than before in a more literal sense too.
 
well then by your echo chamber logic, the only people who are actually exposed to loud voices of hate online are other loud haters.

I'm not sure I take the point, petal. See my response to Buttertart above. An echo chamber doesn't make those voices any less "loud" or, for them, "less valid".
 
Also, Musk literally changed the algorithm of Twitter to reward the cunts spouting off there, so it is very definitely "louder" than before in a more literal sense too.

Indeed. Social media is basically manipulated by algorithms, bots and, let's face it, the power of Russia and those with huge amounts of money. It will always lean to the hard right because it pays those people for society to follow that narrative.
 
I am also wary of this. I take the point, but as a society, our views have become polarised and extreme simply because we can't cope with someone's opinion being different to that of us or our bubble. I'm as guilty of it as most but the people on the "cunt" side see themselves just as valid and "right" as we do.
I do see - too often in real life as well as online - views and comments which go far beyond opinion and into pure hate and prejudice, which then emboldens other people to spew the same shit in response and normalises it. For me, there's a point where people don't deserve the courtesy of respect or acceptance from anyone - a level of ignorance, hate or bigotry that we shouldn't be expected to tolerate - and it's depressing how often I see and hear that point being crossed recently.
 
I honestly think it's a bit distasteful to start talking a lot like social media or homophobes necessarily had anything to do with it. People are perfectly capable of having their own demons.
 
I massively disagree with this. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not "loud". It's because we all put ourselves in a bubble where we only hear people with like minded voices. Moopy is a prime example and my actual friendship group is entirely the same.

This.
 
I honestly think it's a bit distasteful to start talking a lot like social media or homophobes necessarily had anything to do with it. People are perfectly capable of having their own demons.

I was actually talking about the commentary since she died, not what caused her death.
 
I don’t really follow RPDR. I enjoy it if I see it on occasion, but it’s never been a priority to view and get invested in, so I’d only really heard of The Vivienne when she ventured into musical theatre and the other TV appearances.

Watching the clips in this thread made me tear up.

 
I see his funeral celebrity guests were basically Love of Huns faves.

H from Steps, Kim Woodburn, Kerry Katona, Claire Sweeney, Jade Thirlwall and Jennifer Ellison

BBC News - Stars, doves and Drag Race crown at The Vivienne's funeral

The Daily Mail obviously has all the photos if you want to see Kim Woodburn shedding a tear.
 

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