Liam Payne DEAD

VoR said:
if a friend of yours died due to a tragic accident, and you were an unwitting part of the chain of events that led up to that accident, I’m sure you’d feel some kind of way about it, rationally or otherwise.
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Was it really an accident though?
 
If you thought about everything like that, you'd never do a damn thing.

I remember Fesshole had one from someone who has stopped someone jumping from a bridge. 2 years later, the same guy killed a child drunk driving and the person could not shake the guilt. The response was massive from people telling the person that it was absoluely not on them.
 
Nowoco said:
Why?

Forgive my ignorance, I really know nothing about 1D. Why are people angry with Simon Cowell?

Someone above said that he's the only member of 1D who hasn't had his own thing? Is there a reason why?

Why has he got so much hate over the years? Answers appreciated.
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It's all spun out from the way he acted at Niall's gig. Making it about himself, drawing focus, just generally coming off badly and then there have been a tonne of videos mocking him... Liam Payne's top 10 cringe moments, for example.
 
Nowoco said:
Why?

Someone above said that he's the only member of 1D who hasn't had his own thing? Is there a reason why?

Why has he got so much hate over the years? Answers appreciated.
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he was a charisma vacuum with an OK voice who didn't have what it took to make it solo. and his personality didn't endear him to the 1D stans in the way it did for Zayn, Louis or Niall. coupled with an interesting diversion into a "street" aesthetic, a bad solo album and some strange antics over the years, he's often been the butt of the joke.
 
It seemed like he was a really lovely guy. It is all so sad.

He was such a massive star at a young age, and moved to LA and lived the life but you always think about what support network he has around him. I’m assuming his family were still back in the UK?
 
Berly said:
It's all spun out from the way he acted at Niall's gig. Making it about himself, drawing focus, just generally coming off badly and then there have been a tonne of videos mocking him... Liam Payne's top 10 cringe moments, for example.
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If this gets Max Balegde cancelled then GOOD

 
Jark said:
he was a charisma vacuum with an OK voice who didn't have what it took to make it solo.
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I strongly disagree. He could have been a big solo star. Strip that Down was HUGE for him. He just lacked good songs. The singles that followed weren't worthy of being hits, to say the least. And his solo album took forever to come out.

He had charisma, he was hot, he had a good enough voice. He didn't have luck, unfortunately. He needed more focus and direction. And maybe better management. His personal life got in the way, too.
 
to put it in gay terms I think he and Harry were the Cherly and Nadine... vocally
 
Call handler: 911 where’s your emergency?

Caller: Hello, good day, I just called but got cut off. I’m calling from the hotel CasaSur Palermo, Costa Rica [St] 6032

What’s happening at that location, sir?

Well, we’ve got a guest who has had too many drugs and alcohol and, well, when he is conscious he is trashing the entire room and we need you to send someone, please

He is under the effect of alcohol and drugs, is he, sir?

Yes, correct

You said Costa Rica St at which location?

Costa Rica 6032

That’s between Arevalo and Cramer?

Yes

You said it’s a hotel? What’s it called?

CasaSur Palermo, and we need you to send someone urgently because, well, I don’t know whether his life, may be in danger, the guest’s life. He is in a room with a balcony and well, we’re a little afraid that he…

Since when has he been there or is this a long-stay hotel?

He’s been here for two or three days.

Understood, you wouldn’t know any other details because you can’t get in, right?

No

We’ll notify the SAME (medical emergency) staff as well, yes?

Yes, what I’m asking is for someone to come urgently because, well…

We’ve notified SAME. Any other details you can provide. Who are you, are you in charge?

I am in the chief receptionist.

In charge at the location?

Yes, yes.

We’ve now reported this. What’s your name, sir?

Esteban.

We’ve reported it.

OK

Thanks for calling, you can free up the line now.

Are you sending the police as well or not?

The police and the local – wait give me a second – the local authorities and the SAME.

No, no, just the SAME. Just the SAME.

Understood, don’t worry, we’ve reported it.

Yes, perfect, many thanks.

You told me that [the guest] is under the influence of drugs and alcohol and the SAME doesn’t go in alone.

The SAME doesn’t go in alone? Ok, ok.

No, it’s reported [to the police] regardless. If the police arrives you explain [what’s going on] and if they need the SAME, they call them.

Good, ok. Perfect.

We’ve made the report, have a good day, sir.

Good, thanks, same to you.
 
I think his big problem was his solo stuff was shite and he was the one who’d been most vocal about distancing himself from 1D. He had a solid voice, he was young and he was always going to have massive name value so he could easily have turned things around. Very sad.
 
I liked his last song Teardrops. Even if the lyrics were rather on the nose.
 
funky said:
Where was the gf in all this? Wasn't she staying with him?
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She left a few days earlier. She posted something when she left Argentina saying that she couldn’t stay in one place for too long and they were only meant to stay there for a few days but ended up there for over 2 weeks.
 
Hmm, I'm not sure you can blame the X-Factor for his death. If he was that desperate for fame he probably would have got there some day, and drugs are everywhere - you don't have to be famous to get in their clutches.
 
I don't agree at all with the sentiment of that message by anyone who says it. Everyone knows that X Factor and shows like it are exploitive. It's never disguised as anything else. They do chew people up and spit them out but that info is all on the tin.

That said, Liam Payne was worth 40+ million. He had a better career and made more money than 99.9% of anyone who's ever been in the business. For him, from a purely business perspective, did him incredibly well. Personal issues notwithstanding of course. Some people can deal with the fame, some people can't. But everyone also knows what is coming, or what can come, from success. What has happened here is tragic but I don't like it when people blame the industry. He wanted the dream and lived it.
 
Nowoco said:
I don't agree at all with the sentiment of that message by anyone who says it. Everyone knows that X Factor and shows like it are exploitive. It's never disguised as anything else. They do chew people up and spit them out but that info is all on the tin.
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Was it so explicitly when One Direction were on it, though? I certainly don't think it was "common knowledge" like it is now.
 
Nowoco said:
What has happened here is tragic but I don't like it when people blame the industry. He wanted the dream and lived it.
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Because our society lives for fame. Artists have said since day one it isn't what it's cracked up to be, but it's what we as a society aspire to, which social media has only increased.

The underbelly is rarely discussed, and certainly not until recently. I do think there is an argument here that not enough mental care is taken of celebrities and we're all guilty as a society of contributing to things like this. You only have to look at this thread and the way everything has been picked over. The whole Caroline Flack fandango was another- from which no lessons were learned other than using a #bekind hashtag somehow obsolves you of all your wrongs.
 
Roe 🌳 said:
I think ultimately he was what, 15 when he first auditioned? So I don't agree for a second that he should have been aware of what the show and the subsequent fame would do to him.
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I guess that’s where management and record label duty of care comes in for artists rather than the tv show that launches them? I’m saying that with no knowledge obviously of what support was offered to him, perhaps not enough, perhaps he didn’t want it or benefit from it, who knows.
 
BoysForSeles said:
I guess that’s where management and record label duty of care comes in for artists rather than the tv show that launches them? I’m saying that with no knowledge obviously of what support was offered to him, perhaps not enough, perhaps he didn’t want it or benefit from it, who knows.
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I think by all accounts there was very little post show care.

Dannii said she requested a meeting with the psychiatrist/councellor on I Kissed a Boy before the show began to ensure duty of care and the professional was taken aback because a host had never done that, but that the reason she wanted it was because she saw how the contestants got next to nothing on X Factor.
 
Sheena said:
Was it so explicitly when One Direction were on it, though? I certainly don't think it was "common knowledge" like it is now.
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We knew it was constructed to a degree, but I suspect most of us weren't as media literate back then to realise how exploitive it was, particularly as a relatively new sensational concept that it was back then.

It's the act of throwing very young people into the fame arena that we all knew the dangers of. Although dare I say it in a pre-Flack world we didn't care so much and got dragged into the shiny exciting thrill of it all, inspite of our awareness.
 
Sheena said:
Was it so explicitly when One Direction were on it, though? I certainly don't think it was "common knowledge" like it is now.
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It was known as early as Hear'Say. As soon as the public got bored of them, which happened in about 5 minutes, they were left by the wayside. Talent shows use everyone on them until they're not interesting and that almost always includes anything they ever release after they're on them.

We knew from the S Club days before that that manufactured bands made fuck all money and management took the profits. It's been exploitive since day one, it's nothing new.
 
One Direction were by far the biggest export from X Factor and they were all so young when they made it. I don’t think ANYONE knew what a phenomenon they would turn in to so quickly after appearing on the show, and they were a phenomenon in that they took over the World the way The Spice Girls and The Beatles did in 00’s era but both The Beatles and The Spice Girls done so organically and worked to build a brand where as One Direction was ready made.

The X Factor was put in place to make your boy/girl next doors dreams of pop stardom come true and I don’t think any of the 1D boys would have ever made it had it not been for the show. These people were exploited terribly and had little to no creative input and were puppets for the higher powers of the record industry and were effectively cash cows. From what I have heard today Liam wanted fame and enjoyed the fame 1D had brought him but of course with that like many people not only popstars he seemed to fall in to a dark hole of addiction.
 
Nowoco said:
It was known as early as Hear'Say. As soon as the public got bored of them, which happened in about 5 minutes, they were left by the wayside. Talent shows use everyone on them until they're not interesting and that almost always includes anything they ever release after they're on them.

We knew from the S Club days before that that manufactured bands made fuck all money and management took the profits. It's been exploitive since day one, it's nothing new.
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I'm not sure I understand your point.
Just because something is wrong and we know it's wrong doesn't mean we have to accept it and not want to change it.
It's called progress.
 
The music industry being exploitative and ripping off the actual performers dates back well before reality television into in the 50s and 60s!
 
Roe 🌳 said:
I think by all accounts there was very little post show care.

Dannii said she requested a meeting with the psychiatrist/councellor on I Kissed a Boy before the show began to ensure duty of care and the professional was taken aback because a host had never done that, but that the reason she wanted it was because she saw how the contestants got next to nothing on X Factor.
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I know a few of the acts Dannii mentored on X Factor said she stayed in touch after the show but it seems that was unique to her.
 
Sheena said:
Was it so explicitly when One Direction were on it, though? I certainly don't think it was "common knowledge" like it is now.
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I think a lot of us are forgetting what info has come out when. All of the public info about just how bad X Factor is has come out since - and the public narrative of the show is “my dream is coming true.” In 2010, I do not expect a sixteen year old or his parents who are not in the industry to really have a clue, honestly.

I agree that the show and to an extent the labels have duty of care - but I don’t really trust them to say anything that would give their prospective boyband star or his family pause for thought.
 
One Direction weren't one of those bands that were put together and then dumped after a couple of albums though. They had a lot more effort put into their success than it seemed like their talent deserved at the time. They then matured into better artists, and I would argue that they were better solo than they were together.
 
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