funky's journey through the 90s (again, again)

Hot 100 definitely favored the adult contemporary pop more so than later in the decade. This is presumably due to the Hot 100 excluding urban/R&B/country formats in its formula still. WP’s #1s (Hold On aside) and others like Promise of a New Day always baffled me a bit.

Is there a moment when the chart suddenly CHANGED when they introduced the new methodology or did it happen over time?

I had reached late 1991 already when I decided to pause and go back and do this thread, and I don’t recall a sudden shift. Maybe I hadn’t reached it.

I do recall the methodology changing in early 1999, but that was only because “The Power Of Goodbye” was about to go Top 10 but it plummeted the week of the change which was a shame !

The things you remember …
 
Only in terms of CDs, really. I'd been buying vinyl and cassettes for over a decade already.

Oh that makes sense. Yeah I think my first vinyls were from 1985 (Hits 1) but I don’t remember getting a CD until Mariah’s Music Box in 1993, but that might just have been because I became a big (relative to my age) vinyl collector then and was slow to adjust.

I say collector, it was mostly just compilations, NOW and Hits albums and dance and party mixes (Smash Hits 1990 anyone?) but I loved them so much.
 
Oh that makes sense. Yeah I think my first vinyls were from 1985 (Hits 1) but I don’t remember getting a CD until Mariah’s Music Box in 1993, but that might just have been because I became a big (relative to my age) vinyl collector then and was slow to adjust.

I say collector, it was mostly just compilations, NOW and Hits albums and dance and party mixes (Smash Hits 1990 anyone?) but I loved them so much.
Oh @funky

I had you you pegged as a surefire fan of ‘the plural of vinyl is vinyl’ gang

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I think I’ve always pluralised it!

But then I’m in post-viral mode at the moment and I can barely remember my own name 🫠
 
I was relatively late to CDs, as my parents certainly weren't early adopters and interested in getting one, so I waited until I was earning myself. And then the first thing I bought of any value was a stack system.

So The Immaculate Collection was on audio cassette initially for me, but bought on CD again within the year.
 
The US generally was quite late to adopt CDs, wasn't it? Or at least audio cassettes (particularly) and vinyl sales didn't drop off so quickly there as here. I remember going to San Francisco in '94, visiting the lovely Virgin Megastore on Market St and being amazed at the amount of floorspace still given over to audio cassettes.

And I believe the UK was already a little slower than Germany.
 
Maybe somewhat to do with their driving culture in the US? I don’t even remember CD changers in cars existing until the mid 90s, and they were only for rich people. Cassettes were perfect for mobile listening.

We never even had a CD player at home for the family. I got my one as a Christmas present in 1992 and my brother followed in 1995. Parents never bothered to get one at all.
 
Yeah I had very few CDs for the longest time. I got a CD player (boombox style) and The Immaculate Collection for Christmas and I didn’t get many more until much later because I always bought stuff on tape. I don’t think I had a car with a CD player until the late 90s
 
I remember people having CD players in cars where there would be a changer placed in the boot that could hold 5-6 discs. Then you couldn’t even change to put a new one in without a massive faff. That’s why I spent a whole awful road trip holiday with my mum and step dad in 1997 listening to nothing but The Eagles and The Crash Test Dummies :zombie:
 
Yeah I had a 6 disc changer in a truck that was under the seat so you had to be stopped to pull it out to change the CDs. It was a pain so I mainly stuck with tapes.
 
August 1990

#1s


VISION OF LOVE –•– Mariah Carey (4 weeks)

Mariah holds the top spot for the entire month, holding off Billy Idol ("Cradle Of Love"), Snap! ("The Power") and Janet ("Come Back To Me") from the coveted position.

There's a slew of R&B-pop songs around at the moment that I have NO memory of and I've covered a handful of already beause they're all a bit CRAP, I mean probably not for the time but they just sound so unfinished... maybe they all just need to be remastered or something... anyway this month it's this 'beauty'



It's so basic it might have some fans on here but it definitely sounds like it needs another couple of days in the studio... but it peaked at #6 in August.

More soft rock but I actually really like this... pretty sure this is also from the Pretty Woman OST -



This was one is somewhat interesting. The Time were a funk band heavily associated with Prince as pioneers in the "Minnesota Sound", and had some mild success in the early / mid 80s and also appeared the Purple Rain movie. They are best known (and I thought only known) for the hits "Jungle Love" and "The Bird", but actually it turns out their biggest hit is from 1990 and their 4th album Pandemonium:



I have no memory of this song, but this peaked at #9 whereas the other mentioned singles only managed #20 and #36 respectively. "Jerk Out" also hit #1 on the R&B chart. It did turn out to be their end of their commercial success though.

We never really experienced it in full effect in the UK but the US really embraced the Hip-Hop / House hybrid during this time and you can hear how the two movements were pretty much intertwined (having grown together out of the block parties of America in the early 80s) until gangster rap came and splintered the genres forever. This is one of the many hits during the summer:



I'm not really a fan of this style, and my only exception would probably be C&C Music Factory who will be emerging in a few months. There's very little difference here between house songs that use rap and hip-hop songs with a dance beat. I don't think it was AS popular in Europe where house music had already been overtaken by European dance music and was more distinctly electronic, but you could definitely hear the remnants of this throughout the early 90s with many dance tracks having a rap cameo - something that has endured to this day.

Discoveries:

This has been on heavy rotation this year thanks to this project:



edit- I got my songs mixed up, anyway this is a great R&B track that has really grown on me since I found it in the US charts.

Here's a deep cut for everyone, an early trip-hop cut of a Deniece Williams cover:



This is gorgeous. There's very little online about her, other than she emerged from the Bristol scene about a year before it exploded, and she had this song and album and none of it is on Spotify sadly. Incredible voice and very ahead of its time. The original is also a GREAT song, but this is the definition of making a song your own.

The Pointer Sisters were past their peak at this point so I have no memory of this song but I think it's great!



The album Right Rhythm didn't even reach the Billboard 200, their first album to miss and their only album with Motown. They moved to an indie and released their final album in 1993.

I mentioned earlier about En Vogue limping back out after the smash "Hold On" with 2 more singles and failing to recapture the magic to the point of feeling like one hit wonders for a couple of years. "Lies" was the follow up single and despite all the momentum, only managed #38 in the US and #44 in the UK. It's not a bad song at all, but just lacks any of the magic and drama that makes En Vogue... En Vogue. This is all to say that when that song popped up on the chart I discovered a remix on Spotify, and it blows the original out of the water:



That's more like it!

Notable new entries (US):

August 4

37 — TONIGHT –•– New Kids On The Block
55 — THIEVES IN THE TEMPLE –•– Prince
56 — MY, MY, MY –•– Johnny Gill
64 — HEART OF STONE –•– Taylor Dayne
77 — EVERYBODY EVERYBODY –•– Black Box
86 — I DON’T HAVE THE HEART –•– James Ingram
91 — INNOCENT –•– The Whispers

August 11

77 — POLICY OF TRUTH –•– Depeche Mode

August 18

69 — THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME –•– Lisa Stansfield
76 — GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT –•– Pebbles

August 25

82 — LIES –•– En Vogue
96 — I’D RATHER GO BLIND –•– Sydney Youngblood

James Ingram is an odd one. I really like a lot of his 80s funk stuff, although he did a lot of pop and soft rock as well, perhaps best known for his Michael McDonald collaboration "Yah Mo Be There" (tune!) and Patti Austin duet "Baby Come To Me". He barely dented the album charts with his 4 studio albums, the highest (his debut) reached #46 and went gold. But despite that, he's had 11 Top 100 hits, including TWO #1s, one of which is the above track. It seemed to be a huge comeback for him, but it did nothing for his chart career. Just a bit odd. Also the song isn't great - a very overblown ballad.

On the flipside, The Whispers releasing a New Jack Swing song in 1990 (and a very good one in fact!) reminded me of my pandemic project and discovering the amount of 60s/Motown acts that had successful comebacks in the 80s with pop/R&B music that sounds nothing like Motown or 60s soul - The Temptations, Gladys Knight & The Pips, The Four Tops, there's actually some great 80s R&B from those comebacks. And here are 70s soul crooners The Whispers sounding like Bobby Brown:

 
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argh my formatting got all messed up beacause you can't have more than 10 form of media in one post. Had to remove some sections. I'll know for next time! Fixed now
 
Michael Bolton has never been mentioned so much in Moopy's history. TWICE!

I keep going to reference him but then thinking NAH KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE!

I actually don't mind a couple of his original songs but his covers are largely crap and that's what he's mostly known for.

He was unbelievably fucking massive for a bit though.
 
I keep going to reference him but then thinking NAH KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE!

I actually don't mind a couple of his original songs but his covers are largely crap and that's what he's mostly known for.

He was unbelievably fucking massive for a bit though.
My mom LOVED him
 
Jerk Out was another huge hit at the skating ring around this time. I think it also benefited from Prince being in a lull except for Thieves In The Temple and he’s all over this song.
 
Also, Mariah Carey was thought of as dead boring because the VOL video was pretty uneventful.
 
Jerk Out was another huge hit at the skating ring around this time. I think it also benefited from Prince being in a lull except for Thieves In The Temple and he’s all over this song.

Prince really was UP AND DOWN at this time, LoveSexy did ok coming off Sign O The Times, but then Batman hit and was absolutely massive, but Graffiti Bridge was largely a misfire. Maybe the prolific nature of releasing an album every year was taking its toll. The music was fine but it just didn't land the same with the audience.

And just when you think his time was up, he was about to have one of the biggest runs of his career... but more about that LATER!
 
Also, Mariah Carey was thought of as dead boring because the VOL video was pretty uneventful.

Following up with "Love Takes Time" can't have helped matters!

You can tell she was in full TOMMY MODE at the time though. The fact that this album contained four singles and "Prisoner" wasn't one of them! :doublechin:

I suppose they chose BUCKETS OF MONEY over street cred then.
 
Billy Idol hit number 2 in the USA in 1990? With a song I've never heard of? That's the first big surprise for me so far.

I think Jam & Lewis used to be members of The Time - maybe @Ellie can confirm? I'm not sure if they are still in the band at this point - they were the main collaborators with Janet on the "Control" & "Rhythm Nation 1814" album & many other subsequent hits.

Lest we forget they also wrote the GLORIOUS "Just Be Good To Me" for the SOS Band which was topping the UK charts in an early version of a mash-up for Beats International.
 
Billy Idol hit number 2 in the USA in 1990? With a song I've never heard of? That's the first big surprise for me so far.

I think Jam & Lewis used to be members of The Time - maybe @Ellie can confirm? I'm not sure if they are still in the band at this point - they were the main collaborators with Janet on the "Control" & "Rhythm Nation 1814" album & many other subsequent hits.

Lest we forget they also wrote the GLORIOUS "Just Be Good To Me" for the SOS Band which was topping the UK charts in an early version of a mash-up for Beats International.
They were original members but had left way before they had any success because Prince wanted to write and produce everything, so they branched off on their own. They did all re-unite pretty recently.
 
He’s a strange one here chart wise. He’s only had 5 songs hit the top 20 even though he always seemed wildly popular and was always on the radio and MTV.

Cradle Of Love was a fluke because he hadn’t had a “hit” since 87 and that was his last hit in the top 50 here. I think it’s another case of the video being hugely popular on MTV
 
He’s a strange one here chart wise. He’s only had 5 songs hit the top 20 even though he always seemed wildly popular and was always on the radio and MTV.
I think similar here - I could probably name 6 or so Billy songs which were big hits in the UK - he has such an instantly recognisable iconic LOOK that I think it feels like he was more successful than he ever was at the time.
 
Is there a moment when the chart suddenly CHANGED when they introduced the new methodology or did it happen over time?

I had reached late 1991 already when I decided to pause and go back and do this thread, and I don’t recall a sudden shift. Maybe I hadn’t reached it.

I do recall the methodology changing in early 1999, but that was only because “The Power Of Goodbye” was about to go Top 10 but it plummeted the week of the change which was a shame !

The things you remember …
I don’t think R&B, rock, or country radio were added to the formula until Dec 1998. Nielson tracking started in 1991 so yeah after that things became more accurate because sales were audited. According to wiki, songs like Fading Like a Flower and Promise of a new Day collapsed after Nielson was implemented mid 1991. Thereafter, R&B, country and rock were able to thrive a bit more. although those non pop formats only benefited from sales until 1998 unless they crossed over to top 40 radio.
 
As sad and stagnant as the hot 100 is these days it’s probably infinitely more representative of popularity than it was in the early 90s!
 
Good God the speed of this thread! (Not a complain, I'm impressed) Most interesting thread here in ages, I have so much to comment but from the hospital (not me who's hospitalized) is complicated. I'll try later.
 
Good God the speed of this thread! (Not a complain, I'm impressed) Most interesting thread here in ages, I have so much to comment but from the hospital (not me who's hospitalized) is complicated. I'll try later.
Yeah I love it and I’m trying my best not to post 800 times a day in it :D
 
In contrast to Ag, at some point around 2000 I inherited a bunch of CDs from an old family friend and it contained loads of compilations all from 1990. With this also being the dawn of Napster, I became a massive fan of the charts from around this time, but it was UK only.

Loving this topic and really appreciate all this work @funky
 
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