Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You

[funky]

Up to #14 already this year - it was only at #59 at the same time last year.

And I've seen someone on ukmix post that it would be #2 if it wasn't on ACR for streaming.

what’s this rule about? I don’t get it.

 

[AGinAg (38)]

This is not her year. I think last year was her best shot at no.1.

 

[lolly]

what’s this rule about? I don’t get it.

A song which is older than a certain period (I think 9 weeks) gets its sales/streams ratio increased after declining streams for 3 consecutive weeks, so it has to have twice as many streams as newer songs to have one sale equivalent. Apparently it can be 'reset' if the song is actively promoted or if the label ask for it, but it hasn't been the last few years.

 

[octophone]

Did they not release a physical last year to get round the ACR rule?

 

[lolly]

Did they not release a physical last year to get round the ACR rule?

They did, but it still wasn't reset, was it?

 

[octophone]

I had assumed that was the object of the exercise?

 

[win_the_game]

There seems to be a minor backlash against the song this year - at least by certain miserable po-faced cunts in the Guardian.

 

[funky]

That explains why certain songs just plummet randomly then and slowly climb back up for a bit.

the chart is truly fucked.

 

[octophone]

That explains why certain songs just plummet randomly then and slowly climb back up for a bit.

the chart is truly fucked.

It's why a song can be in the top 3 for 10 weeks and then fall to 23 or something. It's bollocks. If you have to throw in stuff like that, it proves your system isn't working.

 

[lolly]

That explains why certain songs just plummet randomly then and slowly climb back up for a bit.

the chart is truly fucked.

Exactly - it's true that it stops the upper end of the chart being clogged, it just happens lower down instead.

The fact that Christmas songs are climbing earlier this year than last makes me think she has a chance before Christmas week. And perhaps the OCC may find another way to fuck around with the charts. I'm sure at some point they will just remove older songs into some sort of catalogue chart.

 

[AGinAg (38)]

Interesting to note her position of each year.

1994 - #2
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2007 - #4
2008 - #12
2009 - #19
2010 - #22
2011 - #11
2012 - #20
2013 - #12
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2014 - #16
2015 - #11
2016 - #5
2017 - #2
2018 - #2
2019 - #2

 

[octophone]

You can see where sales tail off and streaming takes over.

 

[funky]

I’d love to know how they determine what counts as a stream. Is it as soon as someone clicks play, or do they have to listen for at least 10 seconds, 30 seconds, etc. The streaming platforms are built to be rigged now because I imagine the ‘editorial’ aspect of the key playlists shilled to passive users (ie most people) is easy to manipulate by label teams. It’s the new buying shelf space in HMV, only this time much easier to execute and much harder to prevent.

The Ellie Goulding thing last year should have been a much bigger red flag. Luckily it doesn’t seem like they’ve been able to replicate it with Jess fucking Glynne

 

[funky]

Exactly - it's true that it stops the upper end of the chart being clogged, it just happens lower down instead.

The fact that Christmas songs are climbing earlier this year than last makes me think she has a chance before Christmas week. And perhaps the OCC may find another way to fuck around with the charts. I'm sure at some point they will just remove older songs into some sort of catalogue chart.

I want to see this. I’ve always thought eventually they’d have to create a catalogue streaming chart. It’ll give more new releases a chance to chart if the main chart is more buoyant.

 

[lolly]

#1 on Spotify UK again yesterday. It was #4 on the last Saturday in November last year, and its streams are 55% higher than then.

 

[lolly]

Also the highest non Christmas song is Ariana Grande's Positions at #9, and there are only 5 non Christmas songs in the top 20.

The same Saturday last year, Mariah was highest at #4, and 15 of the top 20 were non Christmas songs.

It's definitely kicking off a whole lot earlier, which perhaps does give her a better shot at #1 a week or two before Christmas, assuming people aren't sick to death of Christmas songs already by then.

 

[Nancy]

Also the highest non Christmas song is Ariana Grande's Positions at #9, and there are only 5 non Christmas songs in the top 20.

The same Saturday last year, Mariah was highest at #4, and 15 of the top 20 were non Christmas songs.

It's definitely kicking off a whole lot earlier, which perhaps does give her a better shot at #1 a week or two before Christmas, assuming people are sick to death of Christmas songs already by then.

I’VE HEARD IT WOULD BE AT NUMBER TWO IF IT’S STREAMING TALLY HADN’T BEEN HALVED BY THE CHARTS COMPANY

 

[lolly]

I’VE HEARD IT WOULD BE AT NUMBER TWO IF IT’S STREAMING TALLY HADN’T BEEN HALVED BY THE CHARTS COMPANY

YES, I THINK WE ALL HAVE NOW

 

[Zu]

YES, I THINK WE ALL HAVE NOW

 

[Alla]

How is this #2 in the midweeks and very close to number one? Isn't it too early?

 

[lolly]

How is this #2 in the midweeks and very close to number one? Isn't it too early?

Christmas songs are kicking off earlier this year, presumably because people are doing Christmas earlier in general.

I expect it will fall this week as streams for it previously are skewed to the weekend and then fall during the week (it was midweek #12 and final #14 last week), but I think it must have a good chance next week or the week after, unless there's anything big released I'm not considering.

 

[Sheena]

It is the FINALE to 2020 we all DESERVE!

 

[lolly]

It's already 700k streams up on the same 3 day period last week, and that's on Spotify alone. If it continues to grow next week, and Ariana continues to slide, surely there is a chance then?

 

[Berly]

Mariah and Ariana release their duet (ft. Jennifer Hudson) on Friday so we’re looking at an Ariana/Mariah top 3

 

[funky]

Mariah and Ariana release their duet (ft. Jennifer Hudson) on Friday so we’re looking at an Ariana/Mariah top 3

ooh what's THIS?

Hopefully not AIWFC Part III

Interesting to see Mariah embracing the queen of the new generation of warblers when she wouldn't be seen dead with Aguilera and her peers 20 years ago.

 

[Penelope]

Mariah and Ariana release their duet (ft. Jennifer Hudson) on Friday so we’re looking at an Ariana/Mariah top 3

OMG at this THIRST for a 20th number 1

 

[ManicKangaroo]

I’d love to know how they determine what counts as a stream. Is it as soon as someone clicks play, or do they have to listen for at least 10 seconds, 30 seconds, etc.

At least 30 seconds

 

[AGinAg (38)]

*streams*

 

[BoysForSeles]

At least 30 seconds

Handy to know, I’d always thought it was 90 seconds. I had Alexa play it and timed it to 32 seconds and promptly switched off. My bit is done.

Streaming experts, do the actual main Christmas holiday days fall well in terms of finally getting this thing to number one?

 

[Pipo]

Handy to know, I’d always thought it was 90 seconds. I had Alexa play it and timed it to 32 seconds and promptly switched off. My bit is done.

Don't you have to stream it several times (per Spotify user) for it to count as a sold unit?

 

[ManicKangaroo]

An ad-funded stream will count towards the chart at a standard ratio of 1:600, i.e. 600 ad-funded streams is deemed to be equal to one sale. A 'premium' stream (generated by a user who is paying for a subscription) will count at a standard ratio of 1:100.

Only 10 streams count per user per day on any streaming service. For example, I could listen to All I Want For Christmas Is You 20 times on Spotify and 20 times on Apple Music today, but only the first 10 from Spotify and the first 10 from Apple Music will count.

 

[Diddy]

Streaming experts, do the actual main Christmas holiday days fall well in terms of finally getting this thing to number one?

I think it was better a year or two ago. This year is interesting, the chart week captures everything up to including Xmas Eve, and then Xmas Day onwards is another week

 

[AGinAg (38)]

Any update on the charts this week?

 

[lolly]

Holding at #1 on Spotify UK on Monday, although losing 200k streams from Sunday. Still, it was #6 last Monday, and it's 150k up from that point.

Haven't seen any updated sales figures, though.

 

[funky]

Don't you have to stream it several times (per Spotify user) for it to count as a sold unit?

Not per user, no. Ten individual streams )from anyone) count as one sales unit.

 

[Nancy]

Not per user, no. Ten individual streams )from anyone) count as one sales unit.

I THOUGHT IT WAS 100 STREAMS

 

[RJN]

I THOUGHT IT WAS 100 STREAMS

It depends on how old the song is, how many weeks its charted, and ten other factors that are changed week to week.

 

[Dark Carnival]

Does playing a song on a loop for a week on Spotify count however many streams you manage to get? Isn't that CHEATING?

 

[lolly]

I THOUGHT IT WAS 100 STREAMS

It can be a lot more than that, depending on which ratio the song is on, and if it's a paid subscription or ad supported. I think 100 is the minimum, and it goes up to 1200.

The rules change fairly frequently though, but I'm confident it's nowhere near as low as 10. Isn't 10 streams the most counted for a single account in one day?

 

[lolly]

Does playing a song on a loop for a week on Spotify count however many streams you manage to get? Isn't that CHEATING?

As I understand it, each account is limited to 10 streams each day counting for a single track. So even if you streamed it non stop for a week, you'd only register 10 x 7 streams that week, which is still below one 'sale' as an equivalent, no matter the ratio or subscription.