Eurovision 2024: Grand Final (8pm BST Sat) (3 Viewers)

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I suspect so - to some extent this is the point I have tried to make this week. Most people are going to be both apolitical (or at the very least split on the issue) and casual viewers of Eurovision. Audible booing of a young woman is not going to look good to many televoters.
The politician I quoted above is far from apolitical in fairness. I think the fact that it’s become a right wing cause celebre is likely the bigger driver of a potential televote takeover.

I doubt many viewers will come in with no opinion on the Israel-Gaza conflict at this stage. I’m not sure most casuals will make it the deciding factor on their votes, but if a bunch of influencers and journalists are pushing for a pro-Israel protest vote, it won’t take much for them to really rack up the points… likely from a lot of people who won’t even be watching the show.
 
The politician I quoted above is far from apolitical in fairness. I think the fact that it’s become a right wing cause celebre is likely the bigger driver of a potential televote takeover.

I doubt many viewers will come in with no opinion on the Israel-Gaza conflict at this stage. I’m not sure most casuals will make it the deciding factor on their votes, but if a bunch of influencers and journalists are pushing for a pro-Israel protest vote, it won’t take much for them to really rack up the points… likely from a lot of people who won’t even be watching the show.
I didn’t mean her per se, she’s a politician, but I have always felt (largely through my own experience in politics) that most people are very oblivious of the world around them.

We talk a lot about echo chambers, but I also think there is a chamber of engagement (regardless of where you stand on an issue) and vast swathes of people are not part of that at all.
 
As a casual fan, I personally think this is surely going to be won by Israel statistically. And I have no idea how that is going to go down but I imagine not well at ALL?
 
Maybe I’m being stupid but can’t they just use the semi final performance if Joost is not allowed to come in the building for whatever reason? Disqualifying the entire country feels like a bit much.
 
I think it’s definitely down to the juries to avert an Israeli win, no idea if the maths will end up working though.
 
When it happened to Russia - multiple times - their sympathy bounce wasn’t that high. But Israel feels a lot more divisive than the global view on Russia even in 2014/15.
 
It's so depressing that people will think this way. Her country she has chosen to represent is being booed. "you shouldn't boo a young woman" is just so CYNICAL.
Take your point as always, but I can totally see it playing out - that and singing a LOVELY BALLAD.

If she had sent Unicorn, maybe not so much.
 
Israel have this sewn up. Juries will lap it up and the televote has the potential to be Ukraine sized.

What that means for the next 12 months of Eurovision, I don't know, but it won't look like the contest I love.
 
I do think Eurovision will survive this, but if Israel win then 2025 will be a very existentially challenging year. Israel would surely insist on hosting, multiple delegations would likely drop out (Iceland and Ireland at the very least) and if you think there’s been a shadow over it this year…
 
Countries will really struggle to find acts who will agree to go. I suppose Italy has that cunty fascist from UVPSM, and we could always send Jay Aston.
 
Omg maybe we WILL end up with a Eurovision full of women of a certain age that we long for.
 
Oh Eurovision is bigger than this but this is it's darkest patch and it won't get brighter.

VOTE BAMBIE SAVE EUROVISION
 
I do think Eurovision will survive this, but if Israel win then 2025 will be a very existentially challenging year. Israel would surely insist on hosting, multiple delegations would likely drop out (Iceland and Ireland at the very least) and if you think there’s been a shadow over it this year…

Surely the boycotts will render it void? And you’re not going to get the physical audience. From actual fans, anyway.
 
Surely the boycotts will render it void? And you’re not going to get the physical audience.

You will get a huge Israeli audience. They’ll fill the entire hall and make it a massive pro- Israel rally.
 
Surely the boycotts will render it void? And you’re not going to get the physical audience. From actual fans, anyway.
How much travel even is there to Israel right now? I’m completely prohibited from going to TLV for work.
 
I was flicking through YouTube last night. The ever neutral GBNews had a clip called "I pray Israel wins Eurovision". Tonight is cat nip to right wing cunts who normally deride the show as an affront to decency and their own nostalgia. How that translates into an actual show next year I dread to think. Eurovision meets CPAC.
 
You will get a huge Israeli audience. They’ll fill the entire hall and make it a massive pro- Israel rally.

Oh absolutely. But if like 14 countries drop out in protest, it’s surely not going to be perceived even as a ‘real Eurovision’
 
I do expect the jurors to massively downgrade Israel - they’re being specifically named so won’t want to tarnish their image, and the predominant view in the cultural sphere is definitely anti-Israeli participation. Whether they coalesce enough around France/Switzerland/Croatia and the televote does the same to outweigh what may be a 400-ish point Israeli score is what I’m not sure of.
 

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