United Kingdom 2025: Remember Monday - What The Hell Just Happened?

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Nah, that tells us nothing.

Not that my expectations are sky high mind.
 
Honestly, provided it hits a basic quality threshold and has been written structured in mind for how it could make for an effective 3 minute performance, I think the song itself and how immediately exciting it may or may not be is less important than having someone who can perform it well. Plenty of jury-powered top tens over the years that you wouldn't have felt much need to write home about hearing the studio version the first time.
 
Penelope said:
Honestly, provided it hits a basic quality threshold and has been written structured in mind for how it could make for an effective 3 minute performance, I think the song itself and how immediately exciting it may or may not be is less important than having someone who can perform it well. Plenty of jury-powered top tens over the years that you wouldn't have felt much need to write home about hearing the studio version the first time.
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But most of those jury top tens have managed to garner a decent televote- which is something we seem fairly incapable of doing.
 
Sheena said:
But most of those jury top tens have managed to garner a decent televote- which is something we seem fairly incapable of doing.
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Honestly, I think it's because we so rarely put the performer/performance first. There's no reason we can't deliver an entry that can hit the standard/type of result Douwe Bob - Slow Down delivered (left hand side top 10 contender off ~100+ points from the juries / a relatively modest ~30-40 point public haul). Basic professionalism and a bit of care and thought on the performance and a particular audience to be aiming to cater to can go a pretty long way, but we seem so rarely to ever start from those kinds of principles.
 
There’s always like one or two jury top 10s that don’t amass much though. Portugal and Germany didn’t pass 20 points with the televote last year.

God knows we could SURELY find someone on par with bloody Isaak, vocally & performance wise.
 
Would somebody be so kind as to change the thread title to bring it in line with the others? It's starting to bug me.
 
I've always been open minded to the UK entries before they've even entered, but they are generally always awful.

Decent song + great singer + great staging is not an easy combination to get right, but the UK has all the resources to make it happen, so I just don't get why they can't even make the effort year after year.
 
I also wouldn't be reading too much into a one word answer from Scott Mills when he thought(IIRC) that Dizzy and I Wrote A Song were the best thing since sliced bread and Spaceman might do 'ok' and 'hopefully not come last'.
 
To be honest Scott Mills being wildly enthusiastic wouldn't give me any confidence, so I'm no more (or less) concerned than before.
 
I'd credit that one much more to TaP than anything else. The line was that Scott was 'involved' in the selection process on the BBC's side, but I imagine that didn't come down to much more than "this is the song Sam sent in, and this is the track off Olly's next album that he reckons is most Eurovision and could be good promo for it as the third single..." agreement on the obvious.
 
Being totally objective, I do think the last 3 entries are leaps better than anything that came 2012-2021, in that they actually sounded like contemporary UK songs that would be heard on radio(and indeed they got R1 support) and I would actively want to listen to them again. They also had infinitely better staging than anything that came in the 2010s. Whatever shortcomings the BBC still have concerning Eurovision, the foam trumpet days are behind them

The problem is if it doesn't translate live(as the last 2 didn't) then it really doesn't matter.

Germany last year(izak) has been mentioned here - very MOR in studio form, didn't leave much of an impression, but he carried the song, and come the final got decent jury support and ended up on the left hand side.

If I recall many people were rather non-plussed by Space MAN until they heard it live and it became clear we were onto something good.

No , it's not just about vocals but at the end of the day where the juries at concerned they play a massive part - can whoever our entrant is actually SELL and DELIVER whatever our song is?? Or we will have that all too familiar sinking feeling once the pre parties roll around and we see the live performances??
 
I disagree with the first part but yes it was a good example of how a song can be elevated live.

Point is, that unless this year's entry is a complete dog egg(of the 'You Decide') 2010s type(and who knows maybe it is :D), I will wait until I see it live before I deem it a deadlock for bottom 5
 
Bypass said:
Being totally objective, I do think the last 3 entries are leaps better than anything that came 2012-2021, in that they actually sounded like contemporary UK songs that would be heard on radio(and indeed they got R1 support) and I would actively want to listen to them again. They also had infinitely better staging than anything that came in the 2010s. Whatever shortcomings the BBC still have concerning Eurovision, the foam trumpet days are behind them

The problem is if it doesn't translate live(as the last 2 didn't) then it really doesn't matter.

Germany last year(izak) has been mentioned here - very MOR in studio form, didn't leave much of an impression, but he carried the song, and come the final got decent jury support and ended up on the left hand side.

If I recall many people were rather non-plussed by Space MAN until they heard it live and it became clear we were onto something good.

No , it's not just about vocals but at the end of the day where the juries at concerned they play a massive part - can whoever our entrant is actually SELL and DELIVER whatever our song is?? Or we will have that all too familiar sinking feeling once the pre parties roll around and we see the live performances??
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100%, and the clear increased level of commitment and investment in the entries we've had the last two years - albeit towards packages that, when it came down to it, couldn't really compensate for glaringly obvious weaknesses - is something I think it'd be a real shame to lose through a dissipating sense that Sam Ryder was just a one off and we can't really do well, because that level of investment and care is the sort of thing that could really help get entries that just get all the basics right to punch above their weight. Look how much went into turning Dizzy into a (deeply conceptually ill-advised) event performance!

There's basically no reason at all we couldn't be capable of delivering the kinds of entries Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland have managed to do well with over the last decade or so.
 
Penelope said:
100%, and the clear increased level of commitment and investment in the entries we've had the last two years - albeit towards packages that, when it came down to it, couldn't really compensate for glaringly obvious weaknesses - is something I think it'd be a real shame to lose through a dissipating sense that Sam Ryder was just a one off and we can't really do well, because that level of investment and care is the sort of thing that could really help get entries that just get all the basics right to punch above their weight. Look how much went into turning Dizzy into a (deeply conceptually ill-advised) event performance!

There's basically no reason at all we couldn't be capable of delivering the kinds of entries Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland have managed to do well with over the last decade or so.
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Absolutely.

Olly was a really shame. The enthusiasm was there from him and the team I think - but vocal weaknesses aside(and I dont think it was terrible vocally, just mediocre compared to the competiton) i really think for a lot of people it probably just felt too jarring, whilst not being as epic and cinematic as the likes of Bambi and Nemo to compensate.
 
Yes yes and yes to most of what has been said here. The last two songs have been absolutely fine, 2023 was rather good, but nothing can make up for a complete inability to actually perform the song.
 
Send Jessie J with a nice piano ballad and an evening gown. The song will be boring, but she'll provide the most unhinged press tour known to man.
 
This site often has genuine inside information, although usually about Greece & Cyprus:

eurovisionfun.com

EXCLUSIVE: A girl band to represent the United Kingdom at Eurovision 2025 - Eurovision News | Music | Fun

As previously reported, the BBC has already selected its representative for Eurovision 2025, and in the coming weeks, both the artist and the song that will represent the United Kingdom in Basel are expected to be revealed. However, Eurovisionfun brings you exclusive first details! According to...
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auretz said:
This site often has genuine inside information, although usually about Greece & Cyprus:

eurovisionfun.com

EXCLUSIVE: A girl band to represent the United Kingdom at Eurovision 2025 - Eurovision News | Music | Fun

As previously reported, the BBC has already selected its representative for Eurovision 2025, and in the coming weeks, both the artist and the song that will represent the United Kingdom in Basel are expected to be revealed. However, Eurovisionfun brings you exclusive first details! According to...
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IT IS BANANARAMA AFTER ALL!
 
If true I'd guess FLO but I'd obviously rather it was that now defunct Xenomania girlband we had a multi-page thread on.
 
If true, the fact that they talk about one of the 'creators' being a past Eurovision winner (and also the general lack of any clues or excitement about the act itself) makes me think it's a newly put together act (or at least one that is unknown to the public)
 
Maybe it’ll be that girlband who hadn’t met each other until the day of the show who crashed and burned at Eurovision: You Decide 2019.
 
GNL said:
If true I'd guess FLO but I'd obviously rather it was that now defunct Xenomania girlband we had a multi-page thread on.
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They are on a US tour throughout April and May so it won't be them.

I seem to recall this same website was the first to tease about Sam Ryder's participation in 2022 too.
 
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