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The only delegations to not give Switzerland points were the Croatian jury (:eyes:) and the Israeli televote, and even they both ranked them 11th place.

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auretz said:
This is the first year since 2013 that last place in the final wasn’t a Big 5 or host entry, and the first time since 2004 that none of those were even bottom 3
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Definitely not one of the bigger stories of this year, but quite a big achievement that caps off a real turnaround for the AQs in how they've approached the contest the last few years!
 
It’s interesting how no one is really upset that the public winner didn’t win again unlike when it happened last year. I guess it was because most people were just relieved that Israel didn’t win!
 
TikTok is furious about it. But they are largely too young to remember what 100% televoting was like.
 
Kaleen said:
It’s interesting how no one is really upset that the public winner didn’t win again unlike when it happened last year. I guess it was because most people were just relieved that Israel didn’t win!
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That could be habituation, we're gradually being conditioned to it and desensitised.
 
Madisön said:
TikTok is furious about it. But they are largely too young to remember what 100% televoting was like.
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I think we know what is ‘ruining’ Eurovision - it’s GenZ. Why do they take everything so seriously?

Please get bored and give us our contest back.
 
Kaleen said:
It’s interesting how no one is really upset that the public winner didn’t win again unlike when it happened last year. I guess it was because most people were just relieved that Israel didn’t win!
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Yes, I'm theoretically furious about that, but considering Israel was close, I'll PICK MY BATTLES
 
Kaleen said:
It’s interesting how no one is really upset that the public winner didn’t win again unlike when it happened last year. I guess it was because most people were just relieved that Israel didn’t win!
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I think it was worse last year because of Sweden winning.
 
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The way it's presented, I don't think it was massively obvious to joe public that Switzerland didn't get a huge televote. I reckon with Käärjä vs Loreen it might have been somewhat moreso.
 
It took me a while to figure out that Croatia had come first on the televote, while Switzerland getting 200-or-so felt obviously competitive. I think last year it felt really quire obvious that Käärijä was the overwhelming public favourite and had been blocked by the jury, whereas this year there were a few around the 300-mark on the public vote, so Switzerland winning when it had done so well on the bit of the voting that had just taken an hour felt more just.
 
I have no issue with the current system.

Israel were 15 points away from winning the televote this year. I would not have wanted to sit through a 100% televoting result sequence last night.
 
win_the_game said:
I have no issue with the current system.

Israel were 15 points away from winning the televote this year. I would not have wanted to sit through a 100% televoting result sequence last night.
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I'd have quite literally spent it watching the thing through my fingers.
 
Some Semi Final One analysis

Entries ranked by number of voting countries they received points from (max. 18 inc. ROTW)

18 Croatia
18 Ireland
18 Lithuania
18 Luxembourg
18 Ukraine
17 Portugal
13 Cyprus
13 Australia
13 Finland
12 Slovenia
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09 Poland
08 Serbia
07 Moldova
06 Azerbaijan
02 Iceland

So you could reasonably argue that high votes from neighbours helped Serbia over the line and slightly screwed Australia, who received more of a spread of low-middling votes across the board.

Rest of the World Vote
12 Ukraine
10 Ireland
08 Croatia
07 Slovenia
06 Luxembourg
05 Lithuania
04 Serbia
03 Portugal
02 Australia
01 Finland

Surprised Slovenia ranked so high there. I don't think of them as a nation with a particularly active diaspora.

Total points ranking

177 Croatia
173 Ukraine
124 Ireland
119 Lithuania
117 Luxembourg
067 Cyprus
059 Finland
058 Portugal
051 Slovenia
047 Serbia
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041 Australia
035 Poland
020 Moldova
011 Azerbaijan
003 Iceland

Total points without the ROTW vote

169 Croatia
161 Ukraine
114 Ireland
114 Lithuania
111 Luxembourg
067 Cyprus
058 Finland
055 Portugal
044 Slovenia
043 Serbia
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039 Australia
035 Poland
020 Moldova
011 Azerbaijan
003 Iceland

So Rest of the World had no impact on the final ranking, besides Lithuania pulling up to joint third-place with Ireland if those votes were removed.

Random observations

* As a country with few obvious allies in this semi, Luxembourg should be very encouraged to have received points from every possible country.
* Poland's diaspora really didn't turn out for Luna like many expected.
* Possible dodginess around the Cypriot entry, which was written/produced by the Philip Kirkorov-affiliated 'Dream Team' - in the Semi Final they scored 12 from Moldova, mysteriously dipping to 0 in the finals. 12 from Azerbaijan too, which I don't think has a huge voting ceiling, but they did at least also receive points from them in the final so maybe they just like a middling bop.
 
VoR said:
Surprised Slovenia ranked so high there. I don't think of them as a nation with a particularly active diaspora.
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I’m still unconvinced many normal people vote in the ROTW vote, especially in the semis - Latvia got 10 last year after a Reddit campaign. Slovenia were a big fan favourite which was probably enough here.

Definitely agree that this year feels like a bit of an end of an era with the Polish and Albanian diasporas though - seems like if the entry is weak enough they won’t bother
 
The Polish entry had one of the highest views on YouTube after its semi, but also the highest number of dislikes. I think there's always been the possibility of a rejection if a diaspora really takes against a track that isn't felt to particularly represent a culture in any way - see Azerbaijan 2022 getting a nul / 3 points respectively in the public vote in semi and final that year, having been bought off the shelf from the German selection.
 
Penelope Will Rave said:
The Polish entry had one of the highest views on YouTube after its semi, but also the highest number of dislikes. I think there's always been the possibility of a rejection if a diaspora really takes against a track that isn't felt to particularly represent a culture in any way - see Azerbaijan 2022 getting a nul / 3 points respectively in the public vote in semi and final that year, having been bought off the shelf from the German selection.
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Blanka (3rd in semi-final / 8th in final) was a surprisingly great example of leveraging the diaspora - despite its controversial selection. I guess you just can’t deny talent.
 
Luna is considered quite a big Polish star isn't she?

But I did read a few reactions that The Tower wasn't at all representative of what she usually performs. That and the disaster staging probably didn't particularly motivate Polish fans abroad to race to the phones.

Justyna feels like she would obviously have breezed through.
 
There seemed to be a lot of resentment towards her amongst the Polish fans. I do think The Tower is a great pop song (but it’s not a good Eurovision entry). Compare it to ‘Solo’ which was very much, you will vote for this - desperate dance break and ALL.
 
Semi Final Two

Entries ranked by number of voting countries they received points from (max. 19 inc. ROTW)

19 Armenia
19 Netherlands
19 Switzerland
18 Israel
16 Estonia
16 Greece
15 Austria
14 Czechia
13 Georgia
12 Latvia
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11 Norway
09 Denmark
07 Belgium
04 Albania
04 Malta
04 San Marino

No obvious voting bloc to rival Croatia, Serbia and Slovenia in this heat, but Czechia were certainly unlucky. Denmark giving ten to Norway and nothing to Czechia pretty much sealed the latter's fate.

Israel were only denied getting points from every country by San Marino's weird made up televote.

Rest of the World Vote
12 Israel
10 Netherlands
08 Armenia
07 Estonia
06 Switzerland
05 Greece
04 Georgia
03 Norway
02 San Marino
01 Czechia

Top two no surprise, although I would've expected Latvia to do better here. If one of the stories of 2024 is surprisingly dormant diasporas, then the one that bucks the trend is Armenia. Perhaps not coincidentally, they sent an Armenian-language bop that felt fairly uncompromisingly of their culture, rather than a fairly generic song in English like Poland, Latvia and Albania.

Total points ranking

194 Israel
182 Netherlands
137 Armenia
132 Switzerland
086 Greece
079 Estonia
072 Latvia
054 Georgia
046 Austria
043 Norway
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038 Czechia
036 Denmark
018 Belgium
016 San Marino
014 Albania
013 Malta

Total points without the ROTW vote

182 Israel
172 Netherlands
129 Armenia
126 Switzerland
081 Greece
072 Estonia
072 Latvia
050 Georgia
046 Austria
040 Norway
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037 Czechia
036 Denmark
018 Belgium
014 San Marino
014 Albania
013 Malta

Again, Rest of the World had no impact on the final ranking, besides pulling Estonia and Latvia into joint 6th place, and narrowing the gap between 10th (Norway) and 11th (Czechia).
 
It seems that San Marino now use their jury points in the semis - I was very confused as to how they could calculate a result that gave Israel 0 when all other countries gave it points, but their votes there seem to roughly match their jury points in the final
 
The first five acts to perform all finished on the left-hand side of the scoreboard. Obviously there was some manipulation with the running order but that's interesting compared to last year where none of them did.
 
auretz said:
It seems that San Marino now use their jury points in the semis - I was very confused as to how they could calculate a result that gave Israel 0 when all other countries gave it points, but their votes there seem to roughly match their jury points in the final
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I think this is a subtle change to the rules in the last couple of years. Back-up juries can be used in the semis if there isn’t a valid televote, but because of the final requiring each country to have a jury vote AND a public vote, they are continuing with the silly made-up televote there.
 
UK Spotify impact (12 May)

#14 The Code (NEW)
#28 Rim Tim Tagi Dim (NEW)
#43 Europapa (+70)
#64 Doomsday Blue (NEW)
#112 Maria & Teresa (NEW)
#128 Mon Amour
#164 Dizzy (RE)
#165 La Noia (NEW)

Pretty damning for Olly. We can’t really moan about Europe ignoring it if we don’t give a shit either.
 
VoR said:
UK Spotify impact (12 May)

#14 The Code (NEW)
#28 Rim Tim Tagi Dim (NEW)
#43 Europapa (+70)
#64 Doomsday Blue (NEW)
#112 Maria & Teresa (NEW)
#128 Mon Amour
#164 Dizzy (RE)
#165 La Noia (NEW)

Pretty damning for Olly. We can’t really moan about Europe ignoring it if we don’t give a shit either.
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Hold on, why aren't ISRAEL charting!?

OH!
 
Kaleen said:
It’s interesting how no one is really upset that the public winner didn’t win again unlike when it happened last year. I guess it was because most people were just relieved that Israel didn’t win!
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Precisely. The jury vs public voting discussion of 2023 and the jury vs public voting discussion of 2024 are very different beasts with very different priorities.

But since we are here - and this is taking Israel out of the equation as much as that's possible anyway:

I am not massively thrilled that the jury gave Switzerland such a big leg-up over e.g. Croatia or even Ukraine. Having said that, there wasn't a runaway winner with the public this year whereas last year it was a clear 2 horse race between Loreen (jury) and Käärijä (public). It has to be said that Croatia didn't overwhelmingly win the public vote and that was AFTER taking Joost out. I reckon the Netherlands would have even split some of Croatia's vote had they been allowed to compete, potentially paving the way for Israel to finish first in the public voting which would have left a very sour taste in the mouth. So even though the system isn't perfect IMO, it certainly did its job this year.
 
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VoR said:
UK Spotify impact (12 May)

#14 The Code (NEW)
#28 Rim Tim Tagi Dim (NEW)
#43 Europapa (+70)
#64 Doomsday Blue (NEW)
#112 Maria & Teresa (NEW)
#128 Mon Amour
#164 Dizzy (RE)
#165 La Noia (NEW)

Pretty damning for Olly. We can’t really moan about Europe ignoring it if we don’t give a shit either.
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I suspect that interest in Europapa is higher for obvious reasons so more people have been inclined to stream it, but equally imagine that it would be higher than Dizzy by some margin regardless. So to get those non-English tracks streaming higher on UK Spotify with our well documented love for foreign nonsense really is quite damning.

By comparison, Mae was #15 the day of the contest and climbed to #9 the day after.
 
I imagine Olly may just about trouble the arse end of the chart again this week based on iTunes sales - he's still #6 there.
 
VoR said:
UK Spotify impact (12 May)

#14 The Code (NEW)
#28 Rim Tim Tagi Dim (NEW)
#43 Europapa (+70)
#64 Doomsday Blue (NEW)
#112 Maria & Teresa (NEW)
#128 Mon Amour
#164 Dizzy (RE)
#165 La Noia (NEW)

Pretty damning for Olly. We can’t really moan about Europe ignoring it if we don’t give a shit either.
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How does this compare to last year? Olly’s position is abominable. Mae managed a top 10 hit and she was a nobody!
 
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