Proposition 8 (and later same-sex marriage developments)

I don't think it will ever be banned on a national level, although Sarah Palin did say she would want to add an amendment banning gay marriage all across America. I don't think any President or Congress would have the balls to go and ban it all together unprovoked.
 
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How much danger is there of the constitution of the entire USofA being changed to head off a Supreme Court ruling? I remember it being mooted at one stage by W.
It would never get past the Democrats in the Senate.
 
It would never get past the Democrats in the Senate.
Well not right now of course, but it is possible in theory. If you see how successful the Prop 8 campaign has been in such a short period of time in California, it really is quite worrying.
 
I was talking to my friend about it who mentioned that Gloria Allred is filing in court tomorrow to sue on behalf of those same sex couples who have already been married. And also, according to the a UCLA Professor's interpretation of the Californian State Constitution, a major amendment like this would need to attain a 2/3 majority to pass, which I don't think it did. So if things go as they should, the Supreme Court SHOULD be throwing out the bill and declaring it invalid.
 
I was sent this earlier, I hope this is the case and it doesn't get passed:

FRIENDS!!
About an hour ago, my colleague personally contacted the California Secretary of State. The woman he spoke with confirmed that PROPOSITION 8 HAS NOT BEEN CALLED. She stated that they are still counting ballots...and they will not know the results until DECEMBER 13th!

All media has announced a victory for Yes on 8! THIS IS WRONG.
Keep the pressure on the Secretary of State to count all the provisional and absentee ballots (rumored to be up to 3 or 4 million!) !

Roughly 400,000 votes separate yes from no on Prop 8 – out of 10 million votes tallied. Based on turnout estimates reported yesterday, we expect that there are more than 3 million and possibly as many as 4 million absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted.


Tell them that you want ALL the proposition 8 votes counted!

CA secretary of state: (916) 657-2166, or you can lodge a recorded complaint by calling 1-800-345-VOTE"
 
Special Comment from US Political Commentator, Keith Olbermann on the passing of Prop 8:

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Well not right now of course, but it is possible in theory. If you see how successful the Prop 8 campaign has been in such a short period of time in California, it really is quite worrying.

They wouldn't do it on any level. They already tried to pass an amendment in congress and they just didn't have the votes.

The right knows that as more and more time goes by they loose support on this issue as people realize the world isn't going to end.

Right now it's just going to go back to the courts. Hopefully they'll be able to overturn this.
 
I do love a radical lesbian every now and again.
 
He's sort of a complained through a friend of a friend of a friend that he was "grossly misquoted" :|

Maybe he should start letting people use tape recorders in interviews then. TIT.
 
Another heated discussion on The View where Whoopi continues to make a genuinely good point, but Sherri and Elizabeth can't directly answer the question

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GOD BLESS Whoopi Goldberg, fuck me she speaks so much sense in such an accessible way. AMAZING WOMAN.
 
:D Prop 8: The Musical

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'If you do not approve of gay marriage..then do not marry a gay person'

:D
 
:manson:

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Another heated discussion on The View where Whoopi continues to make a genuinely good point, but Sherri and Elizabeth can't directly answer the question

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That blonde one is a right bint.
 
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I am such a sap / pre-menstrual, this just made me cry lots.
 
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I love Portia DeRossi. She is so the best celebrity lesbian, and this new Public Service Announcement she's filmed shows why. Although I don't like what she's wearing.

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excellent

I went to a lesley wedding a fortnight ago. It was lovely :disco: though there was one couple amongst the guests who I REALLY wasn't sure whether they were male or female :D
 
This Chris Crocker person is hilarious :D I didn't realise he was the LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE freak
 
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Proposition 8

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from google news

Iowa court ruling transforms the gay-marriage map
By DAVID CRARY – 29 minutes ago

Until Friday, only states in the Northeast and bordering the Pacific had granted broad legal recognition to same-sex unions, but that changed with the Iowa Supreme Court ruling ordering that gay and lesbian couples be allowed to wed.

An updated look at the national landscape:

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE:

Before the Iowa ruling, only Connecticut and Massachusetts allowed same-sex couples to marry — also as a result of decisions by the states' high courts. Same-sex marriages began in Massachusetts in May 2004 and in Connecticut last November.

California briefly allowed gay marriage last year before a voter initiative in November repealed it. The outcome of that vote is now subject to a lawsuit contending that the ballot measure should have been subject to consideration by the legislature.

CIVIL UNIONS:

In Vermont, New Hampshire and New Jersey, same-sex couples can enter into civil unions that entail the same rights and responsibilities as marriage, but gay-rights activists in all three states are pushing for full-fledged marriage rights.

Vermont's Senate this week joined the House in overwhelmingly voting in favor of gay marriage, though it's unclear whether a threatened veto by Gov. Jim Douglas can be overridden. New Hampshire's House passed a marriage bill in March, which now awaits a Senate vote. In New Jersey, Gov. Jon Corzine has pledged to sign a gay marriage bill that has been introduced in the legislature.

DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS:

California, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia have domestic-partnership laws that extend many of the benefits of marriage to same-sex couples. Hawaii and Maine have more limited laws extending certain spousal rights to same-sex couples.

In Maine, a bill to legalize gay marriage has nearly 60 co-sponsors in the Legislature. Gov. John Baldacci, who opposes gay marriage, says he hasn't taken a position on the measure.

CONSTITUTIONAL BANS:

Voters in 29 states have approved state constitutional amendments that ban gay marriage: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin.

Hawaii voters approved a constitutional amendment empowering the Legislature to outlaw same-sex marriage; lawmakers did so in 1998.

FEDERAL RECOGNITION:

Under the federal Defense of Marriage Act, the U.S. government does not recognize same-sex unions, even those that are legal marriages in Massachusetts, Connecticut and several foreign countries.

OUT-OF-STATE RECOGNITION:

New York is distinctive in recognizing same-sex marriages performed elsewhere even though it has yet to authorize such marriages within its borders. A gay-marriage bill passed the lower house of the New York Legislature in 2007, but the Senate majority leader, a gay-marriage supporter, says he doesn't have the votes at present to get it passed in his chamber.


surely the Iowa decision is going to be significant?
 
IMO it's easy to dismiss the Iowa decision as just a decision by out of touch members of the Iowa Supreme Court.

The real test will come if the people try to ammend the Iowa constitution. Have they tried already yet? Surely they will now.
 
Yes, that's true. Still, at least all of this is pushing the issue forward.
 
It's seems clear to me this is a matter for the actual Supreme Court.

I'd love to know the tactics of same-sex marriage organisations. Are they waiting for the right case? For a couple of supremes to drop dead?
 
It's seems clear to me this is a matter for the actual Supreme Court.

I'd love to know the tactics of same-sex marriage organisations. Are they waiting for the right case? For a couple of supremes to drop dead?

Yes they certainly have a case, but they will probably wait a bit longer to get a more liberal supreme court. Cause if they go through with it now and it fails, it's all the way back to square one.
 
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Someone should start sending copies of The Pelican Brief to Elton John and David Geffen.
 
California's Supreme Court has upheld a ban on same-sex marriage - the latest twist in a long-running saga.

The judges rejected a challenge from gay-rights activists to overturn the result of a 2008 referendum which restricted marriage to heterosexuals.

Prior to the vote, same-sex marriages were legal for six months, during which 18,000 couples were married.

The judges ruled that those couples could still be regarded as being legally married.

Last November voters backed Proposition 8 - a proposal restricting marriage to heterosexual couple.

But activists lodged a challenge to it, arguing the measure violated the civil rights of gay couples.

The campaign over November's vote cost more than $80m (£51m) - the most expensive ballot measure on a social issue in US history.

Opponents of the ban - which was passed by Californian voters on 4 November, by 52.3% to 47.7% - argue that the rights of a minority should be constitutionally protected and not liable to be voted away by a simply majority.

"Proposition 8 changes the basic nature of our government from one in which the majority protects the rights of minorities," said Shannon Minter, lead counsel for those seeking to overturn the measure.

"It takes away the right to be treated with equal dignity and respect. A simple majority cannot be allowed to take any rights away from a historically protected minority," she said, quoted by AFP news agency.

But before giving their ruling, some judges indicated they would be extremely reluctant to overrule the will of the people as expressed in the vote.

The court should not "willy-nilly disregard the will of the people to change the state constitution as they have in the past", said Judge Joyce Kennard, according to AFP.

Same-sex marriage is currently legal in five states - Massachusetts, the first state to legalise it in 2004, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont and Iowa - but is subject to the continuing national tug of war over the issue.

Opponents who were expecting the decision in California to go their way indicated they might set their sights on seeing same-sex marriage overturned in Iowa.


DIVISIVE ISSUE
Same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont and Iowa
Illegal in all other states
But supporters of same-sex marriage are likely to try to force another referendum in California.

Like several other states, California allows same-sex couples to enter "domestic partnerships", which afford many of the same rights as marriage.

But activists say such partnerships are not equivalent to marriage.

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