Eurovision 2025: Basel (17 May) (1 Viewer)

I've just made free cancellation bookings in Zurich so Geneva can get lost.

Raining on Llámame said:
If they gave the Netherlands an automatic pass to the final doesn't that mean 27 songs? Would they want that?

I'm not sure how else you can make up for it other than an apology, assuming he did nothing wrong.
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They did have a 27 song final in 2015 when Australia were automatically in, but perhaps not at a time when they're supposedly trying to shorten the length of the show.

My other half suggested maybe they could offer Sietse Bakker (executive producer of the 2021 contest) Martin's job :)
 
I think we absolutely plan to go to the final next year, life/money pending (start saving now frankly). Being here these few days and attending a semi has given us the bug. Given the cost of Switzerland however, I suspect we'd stay for as little time as possible - one night for the final, and then off. A week would RUIN us!
 
auretz said:
I guess the biggest question is whether the Dutch broadcaster takes part - I guess ultimately yes but this story will rumble on over the summer.

Let the 6 months of speculations over Monaco/Macedonia/Montenegro commence :disco:
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They shouldn't come back, they deserve an apology and an official letter begging them to come back.
You can't throw out countries mid-through like that on the suspicion of something and it is not the EBU's job to make judgements and give sentences to countries over civil differences / judicial matters.
 
Let’s not make any assumptions yet until we know the full facts about the Joost situation. We’ve heard from the Dutch broadcaster but that’s just one side of the story. If it does turn out that the EBU were heavy handed then we can talk about any recompense, but for the moment we don’t know.
 
Making some assumptions that the complainant was a member of the Israeli delegation, they seemed like absolute fucking cunts, so I'm going to assume she's lying/ exaggerating. Poor innocent orphan Joost should have a right to kill any member of the EBU that they like.
 
Something I think our broadcaster took by surprise is the EBU let countries get away with so many things (the jury vote rigging in 2022 and Armenia and Azerbaijan never fairly scoring each other in the jury vote for example) and now suddenly decided to be extremely strict.
 
It felt like they were making an example in order to prevent dissent from other acts.
 
Kevin said:
Something I think our broadcaster took by surprise is the EBU let countries get away with so many things (the jury vote rigging in 2022 and Armenia and Azerbaijan never fairly scoring each other in the jury vote for example) and now suddenly decided to be extremely strict.
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Selective sensitivity.
 
Kevin said:
Something I think our broadcaster took by surprise is the EBU let countries get away with so many things (the jury vote rigging in 2022 and Armenia and Azerbaijan never fairly scoring each other in the jury vote for example) and now suddenly decided to be extremely strict.
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I think there’s a difference between these things though. Imagine if this was a situation in an office environment, if an employee acted inappropriately towards another employee of course they’d be suspended/removed from the workplace. The safety and security of staff is paramount.

Allegations of jury rigging is of course serious but it’s not quite the same.
 
Btw last night i saw some tweet that said that when Bambie was discussing quitting, the EBU pretty much threatened that in such case they'd be using jury footage instead despite their will.
How evil is that if true?
 
Kaleen said:
I think there’s a difference between these things though. Imagine if this was a situation in an office environment, if an employee acted inappropriately towards another employee of course they’d be suspended/removed from the workplace. The safety and security of staff is paramount.

Allegations of jury rigging is of course serious but it’s not quite the same.
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It is the reason why I think AVROTROS tried to do things behind closed doors. If they had come with their statement earlier things might have turned out differently.

As long as nothing had been proven I think not letting him in the building and not disqualify the country would have been better.

I also think vote rigging is way worse for the contest than making threatening gestures. I find it hard to believe that has never happened before.
 
Marina Salty said:
Btw last night i saw some tweet that said that when Bambie was discussing quitting, the EBU pretty much threatened that in such case they'd be using jury footage instead despite their will.
How evil is that if true?
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It’s probably in the contract they have to sign. Remember the contestants are representing their broadcaster. There’s a whole lot of legalities that are involved.
 
Kaleen said:
I think there’s a difference between these things though. Imagine if this was a situation in an office environment, if an employee acted inappropriately towards another employee of course they’d be suspended/removed from the workplace. The safety and security of staff is paramount.

Allegations of jury rigging is of course serious but it’s not quite the same.
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And yet the filmed evidence of the Israeli delegation didn't result in anything. Rules appear to be being applied selectively.
 
ZenGiraffe said:
And yet the filmed evidence of the Israeli delegation didn't result in anything. Rules appear to be being applied selectively.
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That of course is shameful but it wasn’t Eden herself who misbehaved and broke the code of conduct. That’s the main thing here.
 
I think Luxembourg did very well for their first year. Perhaps that's the route Australia should take even if Dami Im wants another try.
 
Kaleen said:
That of course is shameful but it wasn’t Eden herself who misbehaved and broke the code of conduct. That’s the main thing here.
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It's the delegation, who all signed a contract with the channel.

And she appeared in that awful booing video so she's hardly a saint herself.
 
Kaleen said:
It’s probably in the contract they have to sign. Remember the contestants are representing their broadcaster. There’s a whole lot of legalities that are involved.
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They should change that, the well being of the artists should be prioritized, who cares about the broadcasters and the legalities if the artists feel they're being harassed, used or manipulated. Bambie's statements at the end show very clear they were under tremendous pressure. For what?
 
I get the booing video. It was what she was going to be up against and she was practicing. They absolutely shouldn't have posted it to social media though, that was deliberately provocative.
 
T!SCHTER said:
I get the booing video. It was what she was going to be up against and she was practicing. They absolutely shouldn't have posted it to social media though, that was deliberately provocative.
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:eyes:

They were all blatantly taking the piss, it wasn't practicing at all.
 
Kaleen said:
That of course is shameful but it wasn’t Eden herself who misbehaved and broke the code of conduct. That’s the main thing here.
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Do you think the EBU would have disqualified the UK if Olly had done what Joost did?
 
Kaleen said:
Are you implying that the Dutch are treated differently than other countries?
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Yes. Although I think they would have done this to almost all countries except the big 5. Not just us.
 
Kevin said:
Do you think the EBU would have disqualified the UK if Olly had done what Joost did?
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Of course they would. I don’t believe that the EBU would disqualify anyone if they could possibly help it. Remember that there is probably footage of whatever happened, the EBU will have seen this and it could conceivably be really bad.
 
Laß diemlaw Sonne in dein Herz said:
Of course they would. I don’t believe that the EBU would disqualify anyone if they could possibly help it. Remember that there is probably footage of whatever happened, the EBU will have seen this and it could conceivably be really bad.
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I also don't believe that the Dutch broadcaster, who would have seen said footage, would defend JOOST so strongly if the footage was particularly bad.
 
Laß diemlaw Sonne in dein Herz said:
Of course they would. I don’t believe that the EBU would disqualify anyone if they could possibly help it. Remember that there is probably footage of whatever happened, the EBU will have seen this and it could conceivably be really bad.
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Okay. I think differently. I do agree there probably is footage if it was a camerawoman filming him against his will. So if that footage isn’t there I’m guessing it really wasn’t that bad.
 
ZenGiraffe said:
I also don't believe that the Dutch broadcaster, who would have seen said footage, would defend JOOST so strongly if the footage was particularly bad.
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Agreed. Especially since we had some huge scandals involving bad behaviour behind the scenes. But we’ll see what happens.
 
Putting aside the Joost thing. I also feel it’s kind of unfair that the Big 5 can select a song that can work for both juries and televoters while the others need to go through a televote only semi final first.
 
I really don’t think that the EBU would disqualify somebody over something trivial. I think the fact that it became a police matter is the deciding factor here.
 
Kaleen said:
I really don’t think that the EBU would disqualify somebody over something trivial. I think the fact that it became a police matter is the deciding factor here.
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Unless it was something to do with Israel, who they’ve seemingly been bending over backwards to appease…
 
The Israeli delegation made it pretty obvious they couldn't fucking stand him.
 
Kaleen said:
I really don’t think that the EBU would disqualify somebody over something trivial. I think the fact that it became a police matter is the deciding factor here.
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The same EBU who have shown such great judgement this year, leading to unprecedented amounts of criticism from the acts themselves?
 
Maria Magdasheena said:
Unless it was something to do with Israel, who they’ve seemingly been bending over backwards to appease…
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I guess we will find out the full details soon but they have said it was nothing to do with any other delegation, both the EBU and ARVOTROS have said this. It seems to have been an EBU/SVT camerawoman.
 
Kaleen said:
I guess we will find out the full details soon but they have said it was nothing to do with any other delegation, both the EBU and ARVOTROS have said this. It seems to have been an EBU/SVT camerawoman.
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Yeah. I know. I was just putting it out there.

But given that he was the most visible and vocal dissenter, along with Bambie, about Israel, it isn’t a coincidence.
 
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