Sheena
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£££. The semi finals are surely still a decent money spinner. I can’t see them wanting to get rid of them easily.
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£££. The semi finals are surely still a decent money spinner. I can’t see them wanting to get rid of them easily.
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You do seem to be rather catastrophising lately, love!
Is Switzerland *that* much more expensive then Sweden? I'd be hugely surprised if Moldova dropped out - it's one of the few areas of international competition where they consistently do well and have a profile. Same with Albania.
Netherlands will grumble but they'll never actually drop out. Kosovo want it badly enough that if the EBU opens the door, they'll find the money, and I still reckon there's a better than evens chance that Monaco will be in.
If a bunch of delegations do complain that the hotel costs are prohibitive, they'll come up with a solution.
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I think they tried to run before they could walk a bit this year with their national final. As far as I can tell, Aiko has next to no profile in Czechia so even before the NQ, public interest was very low. They'd have been better trying to secure a decent local name to shore up the ratings a bit.
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I will say this, I don't believe this year's edition has sunk the event with Joe Public or anyone who really follows it just on the night. It was a mess but the results were not as controversial as they could have been, so for better or worse, this will tide over quite quickly.
The question is if EBU can bridge the gap with some of the delegations/RHs that were outspoken about the overall handling of this year's event and react to that within the next months - but do not expect any big proactive approaches or changes in order to "solve" the Israel KANN-undrum.
The question is if EBU can bridge the gap with some of the delegations/RHs that were outspoken about the overall handling of this year's event and react to that within the next months - but do not expect any big proactive approaches or changes in order to "solve" the Israel KANN-undrum.
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It just goes to show you how much being in the final increases the viewing figures over those which are eliminated in the semifinals.
As regards to Switzerland, I think is a lot more expensive than Sweden as the Swedish kronor is pretty weak at the moment which meant that it was cheaper for us in the UK than normal. I can remember it being about 10 to the pound a few years ago and now it’s at 14 , but I think the Swiss Franc is pretty strong at the moment. I think I think hotel cost of the one thing is gonna be the most expensive and prohibitive things. I am definitely considering going next because I have never been to Switzerland and I would like to go there but I will probably curtail my holiday to maybe Tuesday to Sunday rather than from the Thursday before to the Monday after.
As regards to Switzerland, I think is a lot more expensive than Sweden as the Swedish kronor is pretty weak at the moment which meant that it was cheaper for us in the UK than normal. I can remember it being about 10 to the pound a few years ago and now it’s at 14 , but I think the Swiss Franc is pretty strong at the moment. I think I think hotel cost of the one thing is gonna be the most expensive and prohibitive things. I am definitely considering going next because I have never been to Switzerland and I would like to go there but I will probably curtail my holiday to maybe Tuesday to Sunday rather than from the Thursday before to the Monday after.
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And is connected by the EUROAIRPORT which has direct coaches to the french/German/swiss cities in the area so you could probably quite happily stay in any of those if you don't mind a small commute to the shows.
Just don't miss your coach back to the airport because you're looking at arrival times not departure times.
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I’m having to settle for Monday-Friday for Zurich. A week there would absolutely cripple me.
That being said, I’m not sure I’d want to go again if Israel were still competing. Not even in a “boycott” way (although I’m absolutely on that side of the fence, and did turn my back in the arena for all their performances), but I just found the atmosphere to be really uncomfortable that it kinda detracted from my experience. If I’m going to be paying over the odds to go, I’d want guaranteed enjoyment and comfort.
That being said, I’m not sure I’d want to go again if Israel were still competing. Not even in a “boycott” way (although I’m absolutely on that side of the fence, and did turn my back in the arena for all their performances), but I just found the atmosphere to be really uncomfortable that it kinda detracted from my experience. If I’m going to be paying over the odds to go, I’d want guaranteed enjoyment and comfort.
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I feel I might approach next year differently. I think I said somewhere (maybe in person to the Moopists there) that I just don't understand going without the live shows as the experience outside it doesn't really excite me that much, but I think I absolutely won't go to three shows any time soon. The final felt a little bit tired as there was nothing new to see act- wise.
Having said all that, I might just have a year off.
Having said all that, I might just have a year off.
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I’ve been on the periphery of the periphery of this whole thing in a way as I know people involved in the scene.
Essentially what happened with the Eurovision thing is that they were approached by a group of regular performers at the RVT regarding boycotting this year, those performers offered to plan and put on alternative shows during the semis and final for free in recognition of the business cost of not showing Eurovision. The RVT agreed and said they wouldn’t be showing Eurovision, but then on day of semi one decided to change their mind, saying the alternative shows hadn’t sold enough tickets (although performers claim sales were enough to break even). The performers get pissed off for a couple of reasons - 1. they had put a lot of work into shows that the RVT decided to cancel day/week of, and 2. RVT now screening Eurovision. The wider community of performers hear what has happened and decide to start cancel future bookings at the RVT, RVT then issues a damage control statement and re-cancels its Eurovision screening which seemingly settles things down. However then, the RVT’s owner then makes a baffling decision to speak to the press about the whole debacle, and makes the statements above which are, among other things, quite patronising to a decent selection of their regular performers, pissing them all off yet again.
I am not necessarily happy about this outcome, especially if it ultimately leads to the RVT ceasing to serve as an LGBT+ venue. I think they are essentially hapless boomers / gen x-ers trying and failing to deal with younger people with strict and uncompromising political ideals that they don’t seemingly share. By all means, feel frustrated behind closed doors if that is how you feel. However - I cannot comprehend their decision to do that interview after managing to guide the ship through the choppy waters of Eurovision 2024!
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Surely part of the potential appeal of Switzerland hosting for the EBU is an exceptionally rare opportunity for a host broadcaster that might actually be able to chip in extra few million for their contribution specifically with a view to keeping numbers up? It doesn't exactly feel hugely likely we'll sink to 32 from 37.
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...unless they let Israel in again.
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Presumably if Israel continuing to compete actually presents that much of a difficulty for multiple broadcasters, things get much closer to a Russia-type situation where they can actually start leveraging their contribution value against KAN's / issuing ultimatums.
(not least as a situation where Israel are out the door probably opens it to a potential return for Turkey, now essentially all their historic objections have kind of been resolved...)
(not least as a situation where Israel are out the door probably opens it to a potential return for Turkey, now essentially all their historic objections have kind of been resolved...)
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To be honest, from what I've seen (and I have none of the personal insight that you do!) I think pretty much everyone has come out of the RVT debacle looking pretty terrible.
If people wanted to boycott Eurovision individually as patrons or regular perfomers at the venue, that was 100% their choice. I have a real problem with venues essentially being bullied into boycotting though - which does seem to have been something that many of the younger activists have engaged in here. It's an LGBT venue showing an event with deep historic meaning to the community, not a bank funding arms sales to Israel.
That said, the management should absolutely have taken a decision and stuck to it. In my view, they should have just broadcast the shows as they do every year, but made provisions so that staff members who weren't comfortable working it wouldn't be penalised for not doing so.
If they decided to go with the alternative Eurovision idea, which seems to have been a predictable financial flop - they should have just taken the hit and gone ahead. The last minute flip flopping just makes them look weak and unprofessional.
And yes, the way they spoke to the media about it was at best naive, and only exacerbated the generational schism at the heart of this.
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Ultimately I think it's probably much less in the terrain of bullying if putting an event on alienates most of the rest of their regular performing roster to the point where they decide to look elsewhere...
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A friend of mine has a theory that for better and/or worse, this felt like the first truly Gen Z Eurovision. From the winner to the general attitude of many of the contestants vs the organisers. I think it's a fair point.
I guess all the hoopla has trickled over here a bit because some ladies at work in the break room were discussing it and one of them looked me point blank in the face and said “Seems like you would know a lot about this Europe Vision. What’s going on?” I was like “no clue” and quickly left.
That’s literally the first time I’ve heard it discussed in real life
I also felt a bit scandalized since they assumed I was HOMOSEX and would watch it 
That’s literally the first time I’ve heard it discussed in real life
I also felt a bit scandalized since they assumed I was HOMOSEX and would watch it 
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I love that Italy are the heavyweights of the big 5 and are arguably the least BOTHERED, in terms of public engagement
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There was a distinct lack of NUANCE in a lot of people’s thinking who were quite happy to declare that anyone who watched Eurovision ‘SUPPORTS GENOCIDE’. I was reluctant to point it out at the time because I didn’t want to diminish people’s efforts who were clearly passionate about the cause, but I think there was an overlap with a certain minority who obviously took pleasure in demonising others.
I got a FLURRY of DMs to my Ne Party Pas Sans Moi (my Eurovision event) account asking me to cancel the event due to Israel's participation. They were generally very polite but a tad aggressive. I didn't reply back. We did have a lesser number of people coming to the event, I know quite a few of the regulars stayed away. It will be interesting to see if they turn up to my next event in July.